How many people do that with 1/2 ton pickups?
I'm not talking towing an RV trailer. I'm talking towing a 1 or 2 axle light duty utility trailer. I see 1/2 ton trucks doing that all the time. Going out to my hunting property, I see half the trucks that neighbors have that are bringing feed are half ton trucks. The other half are 3/4 ton trucks. You will see half ton and 3/4 ton with a side by side on a utility trailer or pulling a bass boat. You will rarely see 1 ton truck with that task. Most people that buy 1 ton truck bought it to pull an RV trailer. The CT was launched as a 1/2 to to 3/4 ton replacement. Obviously, 1/2 tons are by far the majority of the market, so Tesla marketed against the F150. But I feel your question is more a distraction than constructive. The point is the CT just needs more juice to tackle the type of task that 1/2 ton trucks routinely tackle at any kind of respectable range. They had it right when they targeted 500 miles EPA range. Dropping down to 340 or 320 EPA range puts it in a space that doesn't replace a good portion of 1/2 ton trucks. I saw the pivot when Elon was on some podcast. He started saying range past 300 doesn't matter. Then he called it a car at the delivery event. I do think Tesla pivoted when they weren't getting the range and thinks of this more as a city vehicle than a truck for rural communities and it is all related to achieving below expectations on the range numbers.
Absolutely.
Fair enough! We're good.
Yes, a lot of people cannot fit their pickups in their BMW garages and have to park them outside. The question is: is CT a truck or a sedan? In its current iteration, I am going to go with CT being closer to a sedan than a F250. The eSilverado, however, is comparable to a F150 (but not a F250). Chevy states it intends to bring out heftier eSilverados to compete with F250 and F350. Note the Chevy WT4 will not fit in your 20 ft. garage, either. I design custom houses and I have never designed a 20 ft. garage.
The Cybertruck was designed to compete with the Ford F150 which fits in 20’ garages. Comparing it to longer and larger trucks then getting upset it’s not the same is just silly. It doesn’t matter what size garage you design or build, Tesla is a business that responded to folks complaining that it wouldn’t fit their garages. Better to accommodate them than someone who’s complaining that it’s nit the same as a Ford F350.
They are still hoping to meet that promise. Don't count them out yet.
Does Tesla need to update the Cybertruck’s ranges based on the new EPA requirements?
That may be the result of the new guidance.
So, I have a 2010 K2500 Silverado Crew Cab. I just went out and measured from the front bumper to the rear bumper. 240 inches exactly, if the trailer hitch is removed. The Ford web site says the 6.5 ft. F150 crew cab is 243.5 inches. A 20 ft. garage is 20 feet between the walls. BUT, the garage door track is set 3" into the door opening; so, 19.75 feet of space. Neither the Ford nor the Chevy will fit in a typical 20 ft. garage. But at 18.75 feet the CT will, barely. What I am "upset" about is Elon built the CT to compete with cars and Chevy Colorado class pickups, thereby sacrificing precious battery space.
He specifically said they designed it to compete with the F150 because it was the best selling truck in the country. Considering they were building something that did not ever exist to compete with something that has been produced for nearly 50 years, the fact that it had to be a a little shorter is of little consequence. The truck is the truck. Being “upset” won’t change that. Everyone wants a truck that meets their specific needs. They had to engineer the truck they wanted to sell, not the truck everyone wanted to buy based on what they wanted it to be. Either it works for your situation or it doesn’t. The story ends at that point.
So, my "situation" is I need a pickup, not some good looking road queen. I need it to be able to tow trailers and carry a heavy load. Think contractor. Four years ago, Elon said 14,000 lbs. towing and 500 miles of range. Now, we finally have the real product, a ton and a half less towing and 240 miles less range. That is not insignificant and does not work for my situation. However, I want the quad motor and Tesla will not make those until at least 2025. My delivery date is February 16th, 2025: but we know how good Tesla is at keeping promises. So, not holding my breath. Maybe, over a year from now, CT will have the range, payload and towing. If not, RST here I come (it should be there by then). Remember, Chevy has been making EV's longer than Tesla. Not as good looking but more functional.
If he’s not giving you the range you want now, what makes you really think he’s going to give it to you in 2025 or any other time? They offered the range extender for those that needed additional range past what is offered now. If he does make a truck with the “promised” 500 miles of range people would just complain that it’s only 430 “real world “ highway and 250 While towing. If you need a pickup and not a road queen just buy one and stop complaining.
I currently have a Silverado K2500 crew cab. When the guy at the pit drops a bucket load into my 16 ft. PJ trailer, it weights 16,000 lbs. The trailer weights 4,800 lbs. So, I am towing 20,800 lbs. The Chevy handles it, but it is straining. Lucky for me it is a short run to my property. I did not anticipate that loading and should have bought a K3500 (one ton) instead of the 3/4 ton. What will CT do with that overload? Will it even move? I am well aware the range will go to 7734, and that happens with the Chevy: 13 m.p.g. to 8.5 m.p.g. With the eSilverado, the range drops from 450 to 240. The Lightning goes down to 70 miles. I don't care about the range, I just want to know if CT will even move?
