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[Chip Geek]

I really like the USESNO oil & gas. Clever.

 

[Smokehouse Brown]

I really like the USESNO oil & gas. Clever.

You actually think a Tesla doesn't use oil fluids? Holy crap. A Tesla won't run without oil products. You guys need to take your goggles off just once in awhile.

 

[Smokehouse Brown]

A cyberpunk 1980’s design language CyberTruck for CyberGus would seem to be interested in the availability of this little gem

I’ve still not pulled trigger on this alternative approach (I suspect the review board would deny the request)

I think smart people would laugh at you with those plates on.

 

[Crissa]

While it may contain plastics from fossil sources, it doesn't consume additional to operate it.

-Crissa

 

[JBee]

While it may contain plastics from fossil sources, it doesn't consume additional to operate it.

-Crissa

EVs have fossils derived lubricants and consumables. Plastics are extra.

 

[Luke42]

EVs have fossils derived lubricants and consumables. Plastics are extra.

A technicality.

A 99% reduction in consumable consumption is still a huge fucking win.

The math is simple:
(Changing differential fluid every 100k-miles) < ( changing differential fluid every 100k-mile + ATF every 100k miles + engine oil every 5k miles + burning a literal ton of every 13k miles)

That's a huge fucking win.

I don't consider the plastics used in the interior to be consumables. At the societal level, sure, but not at the vehicular level. Still a 99% reduction in TCO, though, is a big fucking win.

Unless you extract oil for a living, but that was a volatile business, even when we were completely dependent on the oil industry.

 

[JBee]

A technicality.

A 99% reduction in consumable consumption is still a huge fucking win.

The math is simple:
(Changing differential fluid every 100k-miles) < ( changing differential fluid every 100k-mile + ATF every 100k miles + engine oil every 5k miles + burning a literal ton of every 13k miles)

That's a huge fucking win.

I don't consider the plastics used in the interior to be consumables. At the societal level, sure, but not at the vehicular level. Still a 99% reduction in TCO, though, is a big fucking win.

Unless you extract oil for a living, but that was a volatile business, even when we were completely dependent on the oil industry.

I don't normally respond inappropriate uncontrolled use of language, but do you have a speech disorder? Feel free to edit your post to forum rules. I have seen you write without the f word. Maybe use the word replace tool and get it to replace it with "love" instead?

Now go and cry in a corner about all the bitumen or concrete roads, bridges and tunnels you can't replace without a huge fossil substitute.

 

[Luke42]

I don't normally respond inappropriate uncontrolled use of language, but do you have a speech disorder? Feel free to edit your post to forum rules. I have seen you write without the f word. Maybe use the word replace tool and get it to replace it with "love" instead?

Now go and cry in a corner about all the bitumen or concrete roads, bridges and tunnels you can't replace without a huge fossil substitute.

You can't recognize a big fucking win when you see one?

Oil is too valuable to just burn - because of all of the other uses you point out.

These semi-permenant / semi-recyclable uses of petroleum are a far better application for it than burning it for no reason.

Pavement is largely recycle-in-place these days, and many plastics are recyclable. This is way better than just burning oil.

It's probably possible to recycle lubricants too, if you can refine the non-degraded parts out of it.

EVs use lubricants, but a liter or two of lubricant every 100k miles beats 7.84 liters per 100 kilometers is a big fucking win financially, environmentally, and in terms of climate. There is just no way to scale back the language on how big of a win this is from every perspective. The penalty for this big win is that I get a better driving car.

Everybody wins from the improvements which come from EV usage - except people directly employed by the oil industry. I'm happy to pay taxes to support the welfare of former oil industry employees.

 

[JBee]

You can't recognize a big fucking win when you see one?

Oil is too valuable to just burn - because of all of the other uses you point out.

These semi-permenant / semi-recyclable uses of petroleum are a far better application for it than burning it for no reason.

Pavement is largely recycle-in-place these days, and many plastics are recyclable. This is way better than just burning oil.

It's probably possible to recycle lubricants too, if you can refine the non-degraded parts out of it.

EVs use lubricants, but a liter or two of lubricant every 100k miles beats 7.84 liters per 100 kilometers is a big fucking win financially, environmentally, and in terms of climate. There is just no way to scale back the language on how big of a win this is from every perspective. The penalty for this big win is that I get a better driving car.

Everybody wins from the improvements which come from EV usage - except people directly employed by the oil industry. I'm happy to pay taxes to support the welfare of former oil industry employees.

... who are you trying to persuade with your ranting? Just sounds like you getting excited to tell me something new, which it's really, I can tell you, NOT.

The point is simply that the world "WILL NOT WORK" at this point in time without fossil.
ALSO we cannot afford to transition using "WITHOUT FOSSIL" as a lever to a sustainable energy future.

There is more than one chemical way to store energy sustainably, and not all of them need to be a lithium battery.

Since 2005 we make biomethane, which is identical chemically to natural gas, but from capturing methane emissions from digestion of naturally growing biomass and biowaste (cow manure etc). It converts non-food biowaste it into a hydrocarbon (which you I'm sure would call a "fossil fuel") and in doing so reduces forcing by more than 20x it's mass in CO2. In fact it is one of the only sustainable energy sources that can actually sequester carbon as part of the process, let alone reduce biowaste carbon and methane emissions, to the tune of 12,000tons per year from a one man operation. So fossils, or hydrocarbons, aren't all as evil as you have been brainwashed to be.

SO, once you understand this, then we can get to doing the job of trying to convert existing ground extracted fossil based systems to sustainable ones. Did you know you can make renewable fossil fuel by extracting Carbon from the atmosphere? Have you heard of EM's $100m Carbon Xprize?

Hydrocarbon lubrication is a good thing, nothing to cry about.

 

[beeeasybro]

Agreed it’s all been said several times. Lol.

Day 17 since and still no new news.

It’s like a rewound VCR tape…getting harder to watch these same threads as the quality of new info has diminished?!

News! Need! New! Neeeeewwwwwssssss

 

[LoneWolfO6]

You actually think a Tesla doesn't use oil fluids? Holy crap. A Tesla won't run without oil products. You guys need to take your goggles off just once in awhile.

Yep! Plastic=oil. Fake leather=oil. Carpet=oil. Layers of glass=oil. Oh and most obvious tires=oil, Lol?!

 

[cvalue13]

I think smart people would laugh at you with those plates on.

Ok good point! Thanks for contributing!

 

[CyberGus]

non-food biowaste it into a hydrocarbon (which you I'm sure would call a "fossil fuel")

No one refers to biomass emissions as "fossil fuel", because they're not. Neither is firewood, or charcoal, or cow farts. Those are all things that are part of the natural carbon cycle.

Methane contributes to the greenhouse effect far more than CO2, so thank you for repurposing that waste.

 

[cvalue13]

You actually think a Tesla doesn't use oil fluids? Holy crap. A Tesla won't run without oil products. You guys need to take your goggles off just once in awhile.

you’re being cringe

I spent 15 years in the O&G industry.

We understand the point, it’s just a super uninteresting point.

 

[BayouCityBob]

you’re being cringe

I spent 15 years in the O&G industry.

We understand the point, it’s just a super uninteresting point.

Yes. ^^^ I spent 20 years in O&G and wife still has senior role in world's biggest O&G company. The "what do you think plastics and lubricants are made from" retort is tiresome and foolish. Yes, everyone knows that fertilizer and polymers etc come mostly from hydrocarbons. And everyone knows that the (very clever, btw) "uses no" license refers to the fact that CT runs on electricity. And pointing out that it still uses other hydrocarbon-derived materials like some sort of sanctimonious "gotcha" just makes you and the industry look like hyper-defensive fools.