FSD 14 release next month will start nagging much less - says Musk

[cadamo001]

As someone who owns both a CyberTruck FS and a Toyota Prius Prime with ADAS, I can say for certain that the Toyota is YEARS behind Tesla when it comes to FSD. All the Toyota can do is adaptive cruise control with lane assist. That is not FSD. Not even close. It won't stop at stop signs, make turns, or do navigation of any kind on its own. It constantly nags whenever I grab the steering wheel at the 12 o'clock position because it blocks the eye sensor which is poorly positioned in my opinion.

The Toyota lane assist gets very undecided when an extra turning lane appears causing it to dither about which lane it should take. It's actually quite frightening. So it isn't superior at maintaining lane control.

EctoSlymer seems to think that the CT doesn't use the driver's eyes as its primary means to detect driver inattentiveness, but that is exactly what it does to see if you're paying attention. Tesla no longer continually feels for the driver's hands on the wheel like it did in the early days of FSD.
If you look away long enough, it will flash the display blue to get you to look ahead and may ask you to tug on the steering wheel, but that won't happen if you look straight ahead and don't get distracted looking elsewhere for too long. The inattentiveness interval has been getting longer lately. The initial FSD software would nag very quickly when you looked away, but now the interval is much longer.

Agree. That's why I don't understand the complaints of being too naggy.

Sponsored

 

[cadamo001]

What I believe Elon is referring to is the nagging FSD does when you have something in your hands or you are not looking at the road. If you are saying that Toyota is better than Tesla at that in certain cases on certain roads, well then okay, great? Tesla will make it better via an update.
To even discuss that, IMO, is missing the forest for the trees...

 

[Jim Waller]

I just want FSD to stay in the lane. Especially highway left lane, really puzzling why this is so bad now. If there's a k-wall close, I don't use it anymore, it's terrifying to drive a couple inches away. Otherwise during long trips, rolling over the reflectors and kicking up dust on the shoulder is still annoying.

 

[cadamo001]

This is the part of what you are saying that is just not true for me in my Cybertruck. " And meanwhile Tesla will ask you to touch the wheel every so often in addition to watching the road. Even with no drink in your hands. "

The only time my truck asks me to touch the wheel is when the attention monitoring is disabled, and that happens when I'm wearing sunglasses and not looking at the road, when I pick up my phone, or when it thinks I have picked up my phone. That's it. That's all.

 

[REM]

Agree. That's why I don't understand the complaints of being too naggy.

They are just butthurt because Tesla designed the system so well that it definitely sees them trying to use their cell phone. I would wager 90% of people who complain about the attention monitoring system are actually not paying attention.

I'd be willing to bet a years salary on it.

 

[HaulingAss]

Toyota's self-drive system? LOL! It doesn't compare favorably to Autopilot, let alone FSD!

Tesla can never appease the Tesla haters, no matter which road they take, when Autopilot only used steering wheel pressure to determine driver alertness, the haters railed that it could be gamed, that people could use their phones and weren't paying close enough attention, they said thousands of people would die, and Tesla was being irresponsible and uncaring.

Now that Tesla has incorporated a cabin camera to make sure your eyes are actually on the road, the haters say the system forces you to pay too close of attention, that it will nag you to death when you look away for more than a few seconds. They cry foul either way.

People who are paying attention to the development of FSD notice that Tesla is doing it in a way to maximize public and regulator acceptance, so it can begin saving lives as soon as humanly possible. The peanut gallery ends up looking foolish throwing peanut shells at the company leading the transition, not only to sustainable energy, but also to a safer, sooner, and more ubiquitous autonomous driving.

Elon knows how to make change happen quickly, not in three or four decades. It might not be pretty, but it's quick, safe and effective.

 

[HaulingAss]

There is nothing contrary about it. The system is getting far safer, far faster than you realize. That allows the driver to pay less attention while still increasing overall safety relative to a human driver.

 

[SCTesla]

I don't know thar anyone says FSD is perfect. It's not.

But the puahback you are getting is comparing it to a completely different product. That's it.

 

[FL370]

They are just butthurt because Tesla designed the system so well that it definitely sees them trying to use their cell phone. I would wager 90% of people who complain about the attention monitoring system are actually not paying attention.

I'd be willing to bet a years salary on it.

Until FSD is ready, I don't want to share the road with these yahoos who don't pay attention. Understanding the limitations of the system matters.

Sponsored