FSD & AI

[SpaceYooper]

Things I think about after my bedtime.

Is FSD AI or does it require AI to truly work?
Are you going to pay for FSD?
Given EMs comments about AI and his own concerns with it, are you at all concerned with AI and its implications?
(i.e. Air that can do just about all things better than humans. Or as he calls it the "magic genie" scenario where humans would have difficulty finding purpose.)

If the answer to these questions are all yes, are you sort of enabling something, through your FSD purchase, that you ultimately have concerns about?

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[CyberGus]

FSD uses Neural Networks and machine-learning, which makes it "AI" I suppose. But it's not a Artificial General Intelligence, so it won't do your homework for you.

I'm buying FSD.

 

[uscbucsfan]

FSD uses Neural Networks and machine-learning, which makes it "AI" I suppose. But it's not a Artificial General Intelligence, so it won't do your homework for you.

I'm buying FSD.

To add to this, the car itself isn't capable of learning. All machine-learning is done centrally and then push to the car.

 

[Diehard]

I will not be using CT as a source of revenue. For personal use, with the amount and type of driving I do, value of a fully functional FSD for me would be one time payment of $200. watching a YouTube video while FSD is driving is not a better experience for me than watching the scenery go by while I am listening to a good podcast.

If I was older and my drivers license was revoked and FSD was actually working 100% of the time with no intervention needed, I would pay up to $30k for it.

I am curious if we get to the point that FSD has 1 in 1,000 fatality rate and human driver has 5 in 1000 (made up numbers), would people chose FSD for safety? Or they would rather die by their own hands.

or

If FSD was killing 5 people out of 1000 and human drivers were killing 1 out of 1000, would people choose FSD for the time saving and what they could do in the car?

 

[Diehard]

AI is happening whether we like it or not. And it will figure out the meaning of life for us. who knows we may feel much more fulfilled if we embrace our destiny to be a battery. I say let’s hit the gas instead of the breaks on AI. Of course there is a chance AI will help the A holes among us do much greater damage as all other techs in human history have done. But there is also a chance we run out of time before the next asteroid or virus wipe us out. If AI could get us out of the other pickles we get into, the total risk of going for it faster may be less than not.

 

[Baldey]

Personally, i am in the camp of people who hope general AI kills/augments/replaces us all. And i am happy to contribute, humans are over-rated. People have had their chance, and squandered it. I've purchased FSD twice, and hope to do so a 3rd time.

Currently, FSD only uses AI for object detection and sensing it's environment like with the collision mesh network. I think they are using it to judge distance, as well as a few other sub-systems. But the actual driving, the control of the drive train and steering wheel, is done with classical algorithms written in C. Musk said that V12 will be the first end-to-end AI stack, meaning full AI from camera input to wheel output.

Self driving is not generalized AI, but it is damn close. They are using the same hardware in Optimus, for sensing, running the network, and training. Optimus's use case is a lot mote general, and i think when given a body and general goals there's a possibility it gains sentience (magic genie moment). Though that moment will probably happen in a data center somewhere, and we will not know until it is too late. Thats a realm of science fiction though, but im excited that i think it is a realistic possibility in my lifetime. Super computers have already surpassed the human brain in terms of calculations per second (the Frontier system at Oak Ridge matches the estimated human capacity of 1 exaflop, and China claims 5x that figure with Sunway), i think its just a mater of figuring out how to most effectively use them now.. We got the bruit force, now we just need efficiency (brains are about a million times more power-efficient, hard to beat 20 watts) . Pretty sure the world in 2030 will be much different from today. General AI will have a bigger impact on humanity than the taming of fire.

Tesla has been working for several years to create their Dojo Exapod. First one should arrive this year, and it would be almost twice as powerful as Frontier. They plan to build 7 of them in total. Frontier is being used for drug discovery and stroke simulations. Tesla will dedicate all of that processing power to FSD. It takes a lot of compute to train a model (find a better local maximum), but once you have the model you can run it on just about any hardware. So i think there's a chance that there's actually a real possibility here..

 

[CyberGus]

 

[Greshnab]

Things I think about after my bedtime.

Is FSD AI or does it require AI to truly work?
Are you going to pay for FSD?
Given EMs comments about AI and his own concerns with it, are you at all concerned with AI and its implications?
(i.e. Air that can do just about all things better than humans. Or as he calls it the "magic genie" scenario where humans would have difficulty finding purpose.)

If the answer to these questions are all yes, are you sort of enabling something, through your FSD purchase, that you ultimately have concerns about?

is it AI.. yes it learns by being coached and corrected.. why it is getting so good fast is that it has data from every tesla made.

am i going to pay for FSD .. yes and no.. my model y <when it gets here in june> is simply a rolling downpayment on my cybertruck <my reservation number is WAY high> so it makes no sense to pay the 25k for a car i will drive MAYBE 3 years.. HOWEVER .. on the cybertruck i will pay for it... FSD is what 200 a month or 25k upfront... lets assume the monthly fee will average out at 250 a month.. that means you have to have it for 100 months and you have to own the car for 12 years for it to pay for itself.. my average car life expectancy is 20 years.. so YEP 25k cash upfront seems like a plan to me.

I am compleatly unconcerned with AI itself.. however mark cubans quote today that the Danger in AI is that it makes dangerous people smart.. now THAT does scare me... so I am not worried about the impact of AI itself but instead of how people may use the AI.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

FSD uses Neural Networks and machine-learning, which makes it "AI" I suppose. But it's not a Artificial General Intelligence, so it won't do your homework for you.

I'm buying FSD.

ML be is a prediction engine. It isn’t knowledge based. If all you could do is act/react then that would be similar to the ML notion of AI. If you can explain, defend, argue, etc. your actions, reason over choices, hypothesize, perform experiments and generalize the results into what you know, then that would be more of a general intelligence. FSD has until now been a combination of ML and Rule-Based AI techniques. Rules ‘can’ implement knowledge-based models but they generally don’t and I would be surprised indeed if Tesla is because they have not been looking for experts in model-based reasoning. I would not be worried in the near term about FSD implementing or exhibiting general intelligence but it is questionable whether it is needed to drive a car unless you want to have a discussion with it or argue philosophy.

 

[cvalue13]

Yes, FSD runs “AI” algos similar in kind to:

Netflix

smart phones

nest thermostats

refrigerators

amazon.com

or … my company

Which as mentioned by others are a different category of AI than the one being referenced by Elon (and many others) when discussing AI that poses a new, existential, challenge for humanity.

Personally, i am in the camp of people who hope general AI kills/augments/replaces us all. And i am happy to contribute, humans are over-rated. People have had their chance, and squandered it.

… has said a faction of every generation since the beginning of humanity.

ask the ones that followed if they agree

 

[Diehard]

there's a chance that there's actually a real possibility here..

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Crissa]

Machine Learning is more like intuition than knowledge.

But how you build the model changes whether or not it can tell you how it arrived at that decision. It's just faster to build blind models that can't versus stepped models that can.

-Crissa

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