FSD dream

[Cybr on]

Yeah i've been contemplating that idea for a while. I guess it also depends on the age of the child. If I have small children in school, I'd probably want my wife or I to be there just in case of an accident. I'd hate to be relaxing at home with my wife and then find out the truck was hit by someone while the kids were inside.

That would be a huge risk.

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[John K]

We are dreaming, reality is tempered with caution.

Mobile office while I am sitting in 405 traffic daily commute. Even with audio books, my attention is split so would like to focus more on what I am reading.

With the pandemic no touch pickup, can run all my errands.

Beach days, drop me at the beach and then go find parking blocks away. Return to pick up.

 

[CyberMoose]

I don't think we are too far away from level three where we can read a book or do something else on the highway.

I truely believe from Tesla's current system that they are already within the requirements of level 3 on a highway and it just comes down to regulatory approval. Tesla FSD is already way safer in terms of miles per accident compared to human drivers and that also includes accidents where the system wasn't at fault but was enabled. The car also warns the driver when they need to take over which is a requirement of level 3.

I seen countless videos of FSD on highways and it does so well. Even the new cars with Tesla Vision and no radar and doing perfectly on highways.

I would recommend anyone without FSD selected for their Cybertruck to put it on their preorder just in case the value of it shoots up a lot before Tesla starts deliveries. Even if I didn't want FSD, if Tesla actually gets approved for level 3, FSD should have significant resale value and I would gladly pay an extra 7-10k for my truck if the resale could be around 20k more. Especially since software wouldn't depreciate as fast as a vehicle.

 

[Revoltlution]

I like this thread
Been dreaming about all the Robotaxi fun and benefits.
Real question to the group: how to reconcile with Robotaxi decimating all the gig jobs. I know they will all be gone soon, but we're on the front lines, financing the robots, sending them out to make those less fortunate, less "valuable" to the "free market."
Sorry for the downer, but really asking for some ideas how to give back.

 

[Crissa]

Real question to the group: how to reconcile with Robotaxi decimating all the gig jobs. I know they will all be gone soon, but we're on the front lines, financing the robots, sending them out to make those less fortunate, less "valuable" to the "free market."
Sorry for the downer, but really asking for some ideas how to give back.

Everything is political!

Universal healthcare, universal basic income, housing/shelter production minimums.

• Healthcare because you can't work if you aren't healthy, and not being able to pay for healthcare because you can't work is a catch-22.
• Income, because then they can pay for robotaxis, start a business, go to school, and get something back from the productivity that the robot future promises.
• Housing because most villages and city centers support fewer people than they used to. We no longer allow boarding houses or converting to duplexes or build many studio apartments. We just don't build enough, period. And that's eating people's wages as they chase their dreams.

Everything turns back to politics, but even Ford said all his employees needed to be able to afford his cars. That's just smart business.

How we get there? I dunno. Maybe token work assignments that don't take much time - like we do the National Guard, but community service instead. A few days a year. Who knows? Lotsa ideas out there.

-Crissa

 

[Revoltlution]

... How we get there? I dunno. ...

Looks like I finally stumped ya
#muchrespect #wecandothis

 

[CyberMoose]

I like this thread
Been dreaming about all the Robotaxi fun and benefits.
Real question to the group: how to reconcile with Robotaxi decimating all the gig jobs. I know they will all be gone soon, but we're on the front lines, financing the robots, sending them out to make those less fortunate, less "valuable" to the "free market."
Sorry for the downer, but really asking for some ideas how to give back.

The way I see it, with these advancements, things should become cheaper. It won't be overnight, I actually wouldn't expect it within the next 10-15 years since it'll take a long time before driverless vehicles actually become legal and then it'll still take a while before they replace taxi drivers, rideshare drives, commercial truck drivers, even farm equipment could become automated.

Driverless cars should also take longer than most factories elminating more job due to advancing technology. So it's definitely possible that consumer products could be much cheaper compared to the average hourly minimum wage. It would definitely help because if we eliminate trucking jobs, that's a lot of people that would become unemployed. At the same time, there will be a growing demand for people to improve driveless vehicles, or robotics in factories, and repairing them.

 

[JBee]

I like this thread
Been dreaming about all the Robotaxi fun and benefits.
Real question to the group: how to reconcile with Robotaxi decimating all the gig jobs. I know they will all be gone soon, but we're on the front lines, financing the robots, sending them out to make those less fortunate, less "valuable" to the "free market."
Sorry for the downer, but really asking for some ideas how to give back.

Reality will be much worse than that on job and livelihoods with our current resource allocation systems. Technological progress will impact every job, some faster, some slower.

The main reason for this is automation through robotics, through the disembodiment of products and services that rely on direct human activity. Interestingly, the origin of the word Robot is actually from Czech and means "slave". The irony is that the industrial revolution started with the abolishment of slavery, and that is now leading to robotics. In this context the technology simply needs to be commanded to do a task and it will do it. The robot already knows what it has to do and can dynamically adapt to it (using AI etc) and only needs the instruction of when it should be done as required by the "demand of the consumer". It can also predict behavior and adapt to that by reallocating resources now, to respond to that eventuality.

Following this thread of thought allows one to also displace, through automation and transportation of goods and services where what is is done, when, and how. Examples:

• Banks are sacking employees because of automation and access to embedded IT (mobiles)
• Call centers are being dislocated by telecommunications and replaced by self help web apps
• Uber app shares community resources and provides opportunities for individuals (there's more to come here)
• Zoom meetings instead of travel (now finally an accepted thing since covid)
• Working from home.
• Robotaxis, evtols and the like will change travel and transport options and opportunities
• CNC machines, 3D printing distributed manufacturing and group builds

These things are possible through the leveraging of various forms of technology, and allowing interactions through boundary layers of existing systems.

Once we get over the possessive element of ownership and adopt a time allocation sharing ideology for resource allocation, we'll suddenly find ourselves all much richer for it.

This was a big misunderstanding when EM stated that he will stop selling cars, as robotaxis would level the cost of transport across income tiers, and make it accessible for all to enjoy as it pushes cost down. There's simply no added value to the consumer to sell it to them directly. There's no greater waste of potential capital than a parked car.

At some point in the not to distant future basic tasks will become redundant and add no value to society, because they can be done another way (like driving, robotaxi sharing). In fact much of the work in a household has been delegated to processing machinery at the point of manufacture (milk, bread etc), or has been completely designed out of the system (perishable goods and refrigeration).

This trend will continue, by necessity, as long as we make technological progress, to the point it becomes indistinguishable from "nature". In the sense that nature provides us with many things without asking for reward, air, water, biological processes like waste conversion or growing food. Technology is simply a lever on the environment to enact our will.

It just takes some "good management" by us planetary stewards to utilize all these varied systems and leverage them to the best of our ability, that fully encompasses and embodies the natural world in which we live, to create a sustainable world. (Fluffy I know! :)

And most importantly, we need a redefinition of what we believe is value, and how that should be allocated. Our "value" systems are corrupted and need to be replaced. Fiat currency can't, and never will do that, and universal health, income or free lemon trees and strawberries, is just the last dying throws of long broken collection of economic systems that need to change from the ground up. I'm hoping EM is thinking about this for Mars (and here), as I am sure he is considering his BS comments about fiat currency and crypto.

And once we have an appropriate resource allocation system, we will by direct consequence end up with less politics, and lobbying, and "commercial" media to influence and determine the will of the people. Simply because their influence cannot be amplified because it is made profitable by worthless fiat. In the end people will sell whatever is profitable to them, even themselves. That's why you get paid when you go to work after all. But with a little knowledge and understanding, along with a good dose of wise management and leadership, people can be freed of their drudgery and poor life opportunities and be given hope. With appropriate resource allocation our value won't be determined by our creed, good luck, greed or health, but by universal qualities we all share that represent our true value.

That is my FSD dream!

 

[John K]

Can’t wait to pull off prank. (You know where I am going with this)

Ask spouse if she wants to shop at her favorite place.
Ask if wants to drive the Truck, since I hog all the drive time.
escort her to driver seat, enter passenger. Set destination on nav…


…”have fun” exit quickly just before FSD pulls away.

Bonus prank, may lead to a divorce, pause credit cards so no revenge purchases are made until she returns. With them turned back on, show your spouse they work.

I want to sleep in the truck that night.

 

[Crissa]

I want to sleep in the truck that night.

They might keep your truck after a prank like that!

-Crissa

 

[Ogre]

My FSD goals are probably even more unattainable.

I just want to drive the truck to the top of a mountain, get out with a few friends, and have it meet me at the parking lot at the bottom.

Only problem is the roads are poorly mapped, rough forest service roads with vegetation often close enough to scrape the doors. There is also often no cell service. And a little light 4WD (usually nothing crazy).

Ideally there would be a sort of “Reverse this route” where it tries it’s best to return the way you came.

Ok… that’s not the only one. The other one is I want to be able to program the truck’s next destination and have it reliably get there. So we go camping, load up the truck and tell it to drive 20-25 miles away (down those poorly mapped forest roads). Then we ride out bikes and meet it. Camp out, then repeat the same thing the next day. Slow speeds plus solar cells would mean we could do this for 2+ weeks without recharging.

 

[John K]

My FSD goals are probably even more unattainable.

I just want to drive the truck to the top of a mountain, get out with a few friends, and have it meet me at the parking lot at the bottom.

Only problem is the roads are poorly mapped, rough forest service roads with vegetation often close enough to scrape the doors. There is also often no cell service. And a little light 4WD (usually nothing crazy).

Ideally there would be a sort of “Reverse this route” where it tries it’s best to return the way you came.

Ok… that’s not the only one. The other one is I want to be able to program the truck’s next destination and have it reliably get there. So we go camping, load up the truck and tell it to drive 20-25 miles away (down those poorly mapped forest roads). Then we ride out bikes and meet it. Camp out, then repeat the same thing the next day. Slow speeds plus solar cells would mean we could do this for 2+ weeks without recharging.

Those scenarios would be awesome.

Although, news report 1 year old CT lost in the woods. Search and rescue teams deployed. Reward for first to find, they drive the truck back to the owner.

 

[Crissa]

That's probably pretty attainable, as long as it knows the route. No highway restrictions to being unpiloted.

Mine is to have it meet me at a different trailhead. So many good trails are just straight shots...

-Crissa

 

[Ogre]

That's probably pretty attainable, as long as it knows the route. No highway restrictions to being unpiloted.

Mine is to have it meet me at a different trailhead. So many good trails are just straight shots...

-Crissa

Really, both are permutations on the idea “CYBERTRUCK, meet me over there!”. It’s usually a mix of forest roads and some surface streets. Sounds like your thoughts are similar.

 

[Mystery.Shadow]

My problem with the RoboTaxi idea is that they keep saying someone has to be at, and have a hand on the wheel ready to take over.
So how will Elon's RoboTaxi idea ever work?!

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