FSD is functionally autonomous. Agree?

[mhaze]

"Manual" control of an autonomous feature?

Yep, you have made the right decision to stay away.



For those who haven't quit using FSD - There is an option that allows for "5 different levels of aggression " of FSD. "Right scroll wheel"

A rapidly evolving system can't be judged by it's past.

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[pae1andonly]

Would I sleep? No but I can’t sleep when my wife drives, and I trust the truck more. But I would watch a movie On the main display, or behind the steering wheel. I feel that would be just enough a of a distraction to kill a long road trip, while still being able to pay some attention, while keeping an eye one the road. Less so than texting or playing a game on my phone.

Just drove a round trip from PA to Washington State and back. With a Starlink mini onboard. I've got a Samsung Fold 7 on a Magsafe charger/mount to the left of the screen - keeps my eyes plausibly on the road. Essentially gives me a mini-tablet in a heads-up display position. Did a LOT of web surfing during that trip. Including of course this forum, notateslaapp.com, finviz.com and X.

Much more comfortable with FSD driving than with my wife at the squircle. Best I could do there was recline, close eyes and attempt to sleep. And try not to twitch at every control input. (She somehow manage to piss off FSD so that it wouldn't come out and play. And ofc did not note what messages led to that. Why ask why.)

With FSD, after a long day "driving" I didn't feel anywhere near as wrung out as I would have w/o FSD. Though on the last day of the return leg, I was sufficiently frustrated by lack of legit speed/behavior control on crowded highways (the persistent pass on right attempt w/o a suitable gap to get back left is a pet peeve) that I just drove manually. We sometimes forget how much fun the CT is to just drive.

 

[pae1andonly]

I guess this is a good place to put this.

I got a crazy red hands takeover today. Out of the blue. Was on fsd like normal. Then suddenly red hands! I haven't seen the red hands in what feels like forever.

FSD refused to start again. I went to a parking lot and tried the screen reboot. Still not working. Went into service mode and something was wrong with the left camera. I reset the DAS. Still no left camera.

I drove further myself to the destination. When I pulled up the camera feed left camera was blank.

Went inside the restaurant and the truck went to sleep. When I came back the camera was working again and fsd was alive! Very strange glitch or something.

Got a red hands of death yesterday. To be fair, I decided I didn't care for another vehicles inability to stay within their lane and accelerated clear of what I perceived to be a danger zone. FSD is not best pleased when I exceed 85? Interestingly, this disengagement did not end the streak.

 

[mhaze]

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[Beetlebug62]

Everyone's comfort level is different, that's obvious.

I was looking at my display a couple days ago, and I have over 19,000 miles driven since FSD v14.2, with all but 62mi driven by my CT. My 62mi driving was about half the first day driving thru a snowstorm. I wasn't ready to test it in the snow first. Since then, it's all been in parking lots, finding the spots furthest away from the doors of buildings. Backing another 6" to charger pedestals, that sort of thing.

I did notice recently the app now shows me my ski trip. And I got a badge for charging in Yellowstone. I realize now, I could have gotten one at Arches National Monument if I had charged there.

I can't remember my last critical takeover, it's been so long ago.

 

[gtgarner]

A rapidly evolving system can't be judged by it's past.

LOL...so should it be judged by its future?


Sure it can be judged by its past.

 

[cybercricket]

One peculiar conversation that shows up on gun forums sometimes is regarding basic traffic laws, especially speeding. See the consensus is it's best to avoid encounters with law enforcement even if you're otherwise squeaky clean, because there is just a million ways how things can go wrong because of somebody having a bad day, things being misinterpreted, etc, etc. The context revolves around the 4th Amendment - generally cops can't pull you over for no reason, despite what some people may believe. There has to be some probable cause, such as... speeding. It doesn't have to be something outrageous, but just 3-4 miles over the limit is sufficient to give cops a pass on the 4th Amendment. 1-2 miles over could be argued to be an instrument error on either side, and likely would get one out of a jam.

With that long context... until FSD learns to drive legally (as in at posted speeds), its use can create additional unnecessary risks and should be avoided. Right now it's typically either going below the limit, or over it.

 

[gtgarner]

One peculiar conversation that shows up on gun forums sometimes is regarding basic traffic laws, especially speeding. See the consensus is it's best to avoid encounters with law enforcement even if you're otherwise squeaky clean, because there is just a million ways how things can go wrong because of somebody having a bad day, things being misinterpreted, etc, etc. The context revolves around the 4th Amendment - generally cops can't pull you over for no reason, despite what some people may believe. There has to be some probable cause, such as... speeding. It doesn't have to be something outrageous, but just 3-4 miles over the limit is sufficient to give cops a pass on the 4th Amendment. 1-2 miles over could be argued to be an instrument error on either side, and likely would get one out of a jam.

With that long context... until FSD learns to drive legally (as in at posted speeds), its use can create additional unnecessary risks and should be avoided. Right now it's typically either going below the limit, or over it.

If you are scared - don't use it.

I will continue to use it. The law in the land where I live (Chicagoland) indicates that I can travel along with the speed of the traffic around me.
I found FSD traveling at the speed of the traffic around me. Especially in "standard" mode.
If you choose "hurry" or anything else more aggressive - then that's your fault/decision/choice - but don't blame FSD for the choice you make.

You guys act like FSD is simply an on/off button and that once its on- you can't do anything to adjust its behavior. That's a 100% untruth.

 

[cybercricket]

If you are scared - don't use it.

I will continue to use it. The law in the land where I live (Chicagoland) indicates that I can travel along with the speed of the traffic around me.
I found FSD traveling at the speed of the traffic around me. Especially in "standard" mode.
If you choose "hurry" or anything else more aggressive - then that's your fault/decision/choice - but don't blame FSD for the choice you make.

You guys act like FSD is simply an on/off button and that once its on- you can't do anything to adjust its behavior. That's a 100% untruth.

I'm not afraid, I'm pointing out a caveat that people need to be reminded of because it has been normalized that driving "10 miles over the limit" is okay. Now you're also incorrect about what you said regarding the law in your area - there is literally no single jurisdiction in the US in which one could say "I was just going with the flow of traffic" to get out of a speeding violation.

There is a great Youtube channel called thecivilrightslawyer. The guy (civil rights attorney) dissects various LEO interactions when a citizen has done NOTHING or almost nothing wrong, including interactions that started as a traffic stop (almost nothing part). In many cases there is clear evidence of abuse of authority and the legal system is very slow or ineffective to penalize those cops. Cybertruck owners stand out, and speeding makes us standout even more.

 

[gtgarner]

I'm not afraid, I'm pointing out a caveat that people need to be reminded of because it has been normalized that driving "10 miles over the limit" is okay. Now you're also incorrect about what you said regarding the law in your area - there is literally no single jurisdiction in the US in which one could say "I was just going with the flow of traffic" to get out of a speeding violation.

There is a great Youtube channel called thecivilrightslawyer. The guy (civil rights attorney) dissects various LEO interactions when a citizen has done NOTHING or almost nothing wrong, including interactions that started as a traffic stop (almost nothing part). In many cases there is clear evidence of abuse of authority and the legal system is very slow or ineffective to penalize those cops. Cybertruck owners stand out, and speeding makes us standout even more.

All you had to do is google Illinois speed laws. Its simple. I googled it for you. illinois law about traveling at the rate of traffic

All of these people driving 55mph in traffic that is traveling 70 are a hazardous risk. Even though the speed limit is 55mph.


I don't care about being pulled over for doing nothing wrong. That's an entirely different conversation.

Click the link above and describe what you believe is "reasonable" speed.

Lastly - why haven't you changed the mode of FSD to "standard". If you are scared to use FSD in that mode (concerning speed - because you might get pulled over) - then you shouldn't use it.

 

[cybercricket]

All you had to do is google Illinois speed laws. Its simple. I googled it for you. illinois law about traveling at the rate of traffic

I don't care about being pulled over for doing nothing wrong. That's an entirely different conversation.

Click the link above and describe "reasonable" speed.

Lastly - why haven't you changed the mode of FSD to "standard". If you are scared to use FSD in that mode (concerning speed) - then you shouldn't use it.

It's not the first time I run into a person who doesn't understand how the law works. Reasonable for conditions doesn't mean you can go above the posted speed limit, it means you can't go at the posted speed if it's too dangerous to do so (visibility, weather, etc).

You used this word "scared" again. I'm not a teenager girl to be scared of trivial things in life. I am pointing out the possible legal side-effect of using FSD that people should be aware of. Again, simply because it's so normalized that even cops often drive above the speed limit (when not responding to an emergency).

 

[gtgarner]

It's not the first time I run into a person who doesn't understand how the law works. Reasonable for conditions doesn't mean you can go above the posted speed limit, it means you can't go at the posted speed if it's too dangerous to do so (visibility, weather, etc).

You used this word "scared" again. I'm not a teenager girl to be scared of trivial things in life. I am pointing out the possible legal side-effect of using FSD that people should be aware of. Again, simply because it's so normalized that even cops often drive above the speed limit (when not responding to an emergency).

Yes it does mean that you can go above the posted speed limit. Indeed it does. Period.

Use sloth mode if you are scared of being pulled over due to speed. That's what "Sloth" with do for you. Use your right scroll wheel to select what mode you want.
Again- FSD is more that an off/on function - you can adjust it for your level of comfort.
You criticize FSD because either you don't know how to use it - or refuse to use it to fit your comfort level.
That's not a problem with FSD.

Here is even a more descriptive explanation of the modes you can choose.

The Five FSD Profiles: What They Actually Do
Sloth Mode
Sloth is FSD’s slowest and most conservative profile — it’s the polar opposite of Mad Max. The vehicle stays at or below the speed limit, avoids lane changes unless absolutely necessary, and prioritizes minimal movement through traffic. Think of it as the “just get me there safely, I don’t care how long it takes” setting.

Best for: When you want absolute minimum speed and lane changes, extremely nervous passengers who are new to FSD, heavy stop-and-go traffic where lane changes add stress without saving time, or when conditions call for maximum caution.

Chill Mode
Chill is your chauffeur setting. The vehicle prioritizes smooth, conservative driving — gentle acceleration, larger following distances, and minimal lane changes. FSD in Chill mode prefers staying in its current lane unless beneficial, but will make moves when they make sense. It’s noticeably more active than Sloth while still being relaxed.

Best for: Passengers who get motion sick, passengers who want a smooth ride, relaxed highway cruising, adverse weather conditions, or when you want a comfortable but not overly slow experience.

Standard Mode
Standard strikes a balance between comfort and efficiency. Lane changes happen when beneficial but aren’t aggressive — expect larger gaps before the vehicle commits to a move. Acceleration is mild but not sluggish.

Taha’s take: “Standard prefers the current lane and waits for comfortable gaps. It’s not slow, just… polite. In V13, I used Standard about 90% of the time because the scroll wheel max speed adjustment worked perfectly.”

Best for: Daily commuting, mixed traffic conditions, general-purpose driving, canyon/mountain roads where smooth inputs matter.

Hurry Mode
Hurry picks up the pace. Tighter following distances, quicker lane changes to overtake slower traffic, and more willingness to find the fastest route through congestion.

Taha’s take: “In V14, I’m on Hurry mode about 90% of the time now. Standard sometimes feels too hesitant to reach the speed limit, while Hurry gets me moving with traffic flow without going overboard.”

Best for: Highway driving, keeping up with traffic flow, when you need to make good time.

Mad Max Mode
Mad Max is FSD’s most aggressive setting — the opposite end of the spectrum from Sloth. Tight following distances, assertive lane changes that weave through traffic, and maximum speed based on road conditions and posted limits.

Taha’s take: “Mad Max swerves through traffic aggressively to get you where you’re going faster. And honestly? It feels remarkably safe. With 10 cameras watching everything, the vehicle has full situational awareness. I’ve had minimal interventions across all modes.”

Best for: Aggressive drivers who want maximum efficiency, highway travel with moderate traffic.

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• Sloth: Extremely cautious, minimal lane changes, stays at or below speed limits.
• Chill: Smooth and conservative, prioritizes comfort over speed.
• Standard: Balanced driving, moderate lane changes and speed.
• Hurry: Aggressive, faster lane changes, higher speed adherence, optimized for quicker travel.
• Mad Max: Most aggressive, prioritizes speed and assertive maneuvers beyond typical driving norms

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