FSD is functionally autonomous. Agree?

[chaosmarine92]

You do have speed control by learning the profiles. Sloth won’t speed. Ever. Chill only goes a couple over. Standard or Hurry drives like a normal person. Mad Max is just that. I agreed with your position at first but have come to appreciate a nuanced ( Ai?) approach to speed relative to conditions and traffic. It’s smarter than imposing rules-based behavior, which is essentially what demanding manual speed control is asking for. That’s a regression as we approach (maybe?) unsupervised self driving. There’s a lot to occur between now and then, more than just software and navigation improvements, such as working out the legal liability framework, but this is how it learns. If we pen in its autonomy, more responsibility remains with the driver, and FSD’s advancement is perhaps thereby constrained.

I also get that supervised means what it says, but it’s a bit like watching a three year old. Gotta let them make mistakes and get a few scabs, intervening when required to head off a bad event (or speeding ticket). But we do have the tools to help FSD avoid tickets if we understand this interim phase’s limitations and ramifications for the next level of FSD.

You can participate in moving forward or not, totally your call, and I respect that. But do it based on facts.

FSD either can't read speed signs or chooses to ignore them constantly in my area. About 60% of the time it has the wrong speed limit so the profiles are useless to me. In my neighborhood it thinks the limit is 55mph. On the highway near me it thinks the limit is 45mph. This is true with both FSD and TACC. Hence why FSD is useless to me.

Maybe it works great in your area, but it doesn't in mine. Taking away the manual speed control made it useless to me. It is literally easier to just drive myself than to supervise FSD and constantly correct it's speed.

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[PungoteagueDave]

FSD either can't read speed signs or chooses to ignore them constantly in my area. About 60% of the time it has the wrong speed limit so the profiles are useless to me. In my neighborhood it thinks the limit is 55mph. On the highway near me it thinks the limit is 45mph. This is true with both FSD and TACC. Hence why FSD is useless to me.

Maybe it works great in your area, but it doesn't in mine. Taking away the manual speed control made it useless to me. It is literally easier to just drive myself than to supervise FSD and constantly correct it's speed.

Agreed the sign thing is huge issue. And true everywhere. Kinda weird because AP back in 2015 could read signs accurately most of the time. This is very recent, with 14.3. Because it was a total rebuild of FSD from scratch, my sense is this is a missing feature that will be returned. That’s the answer in my view, not a return of a user-defined speed differential or cap. More intelligence, not less.

It appears the switch to new underlying programming language and methodology has serious looses ends, some of which are acknowledged in the release notes. Until the coming revisions we must cope but I think the engineers understood the challenge, and so much else is better and being set up for the unsupervised use case.

I agree there are some steps backward but find it’s still better in a lot of ways such as shadows, phantom braking, speed bumps, animals, emergency vehicles. It’s now backing into the driveway and garage and picking better parking spots.

The sign reading thing is a clear regression but it can be fixed because Tesla already licked that twice in the past, first with MobilEye technology from a third party in AP, and then internally after abandoning radar and other sensors. I wasn’t happy with the initial attempts for either of them and have lived through every version of FSD starting with the drunk teenage Vernon my ‘19 MX.

I’m not highly confident about unsupervised due to the massive remaining hurdles, but am fairly confident that Tesla can make most of us happy with FSD handling things like signs and speed limits. Because they have a long track record on those specific things. Software is hard.