FSD (Supervised) is now $99/month

[CybertruckRN1127]

I don't think "safest" means what you think it does.

If you don't buy FSD when it's relatively affordable, then how will you get it once it can actually drive itself? FSD is unlike a normal option you buy on a legacy car, like a heated steering wheel or upgraded stereo because it totally transforms the car into something else.

Don't fall for the FOMO. It's $12k now. Tesla will announce price changes. You can make up your mind later if they plan to raise it. They may even lower it. It used to be $15k.

I got FSD for free (after buying EAP) and my cars have 120k-130k miles on them. Do you think by the time FSD acts like a Waymo, my car will still be on the road? They'll probably be on it's last leg at 300k miles or my kids will break them. If I had subscribed, I can change to a new car at anytime, and not wait for promotions. I didn't transfer using the promotion because my cars are going to my teens. Also, transfer doesn't work for the Cybertruck, and foundation came with FSD purchsed already so it stayed on my older Teslas.

Anyway, I'm not here to change your mind or anyone's mind about FSD. My advice is just sub now if you want FSD. Buy it out right if you want. Don't bother me a bit. I don't make any money based on people buying or subscribing. Just personally, if I didn't have FSD, I will just sub.

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[SDcyberT]

I'd be a little ticked off if I had bought it outright. Is Tesla offering refunds to those who did & want to switch to subscription model? I bet not.

 

[jerhenderson]

Because it’s like riding along with a student driver? Basic AP is good enough, for free.

I’ve used FSD a handful of times during the free trial and it’s just not worth $12k or $1200 a year. Just the fact that it wants you to keep your hand on the steering wheel at all times is a joke.

FSD is far better than Autopilot, and you need your hands on the wheel as it's level 2 supervised autonomy.

 

[MInnesooooooota]

It is only $98 overpriced : )

Get people hooked at $99 and then raise the price.

People who paid $12k or $15K got screwed. And what about Enhanced AP? That is still old code - not on neural net.

 

[jf64k]

Don't fall for the FOMO. It's $12k now. Tesla will announce price changes. You can make up your mind later if they plan to raise it. They may even lower it. It used to be $15k.

I got FSD for free (after buying EAP) and my cars have 120k-130k miles on them. Do you think by the time FSD acts like a Waymo, my car will still be on the road? They'll probably be on it's last leg at 300k miles or my kids will break them. If I had subscribed, I can change to a new car at anytime, and not wait for promotions. I didn't transfer using the promotion because my cars are going to my teens. Also, transfer doesn't work for the Cybertruck, and foundation came with FSD purchsed already so it stayed on my older Teslas.

Anyway, I'm not here to change your mind or anyone's mind about FSD. My advice is just sub now if you want FSD. Buy it out right if you want. Don't bother me a bit. I don't make any money based on people buying or subscribing. Just personally, if I didn't have FSD, I will just sub.

Exactly.

For those saying “You know the monthly will just keep going up”…did you see what just happened?

After a few years at $199, they LOWERED THE PRICE by 50%!!

 

[CybertruckRN1127]

Just want to add that 12.3.4 is really good. I got the update last night and finally had to go out today so tested it out a bit.

It still needs some work when stopping at a stop sign or picking the right routes, but going from .3 to .4 in v12 is like v11.3.0 going to v11.5.0. It's a huge improvement even if it's just a minor update. We are also getting updates much faster now. Hopefully, Tesla can keep pushing out updates every 2 to 3 weeks.

 

[Crissa]

Wasn't FSD $7000 or $7500 on initial Cybertruck orders?

$7k.

I have that memorized.

There is darn near zero circumstance where you run out of $ in 5 years...even at $200/month. Where do you get your data on 12.5 years? https://www.iseecars.com/how-long-people-keep-cars-study#:~:text=As a vehicle segment, pickup,to 9.1 years of ownership.&text=# Years of Ownership (Avg.),-1&text="Known for their durability, pickup,work vehicles,” said Ly.

https://www.360financialliteracy.org/Calculators/Savings-Distribution-Calculator

https://www.nada.org/nada/nada-head...-vehicles-record-125-years-average-sp-reuters

Anyhow. iseecars was only using their own data from 2014 to 2018. They probably don't see the oldest cars.

-Crissa

 

[sharpgator]

$7k.

I have that memorized.


https://www.360financialliteracy.org/Calculators/Savings-Distribution-Calculator

https://www.nada.org/nada/nada-head...-vehicles-record-125-years-average-sp-reuters

Anyhow. iseecars was only using their own data from 2014 to 2018. They probably don't see the oldest cars.

-Crissa

This article quotes the age of the average vehicle, not the time the original owner keeps it which is the discussion here because the value of FSD likely dies with the original owner's exit sale.

 

[HaulingAss]

My advice is just sub now if you want FSD. Buy it out right if you want. Don't bother me a bit. I don't make any money based on people buying or subscribing. Just personally, if I didn't have FSD, I will just sub.

We have four Tesla with FSD. The most I've ever paid for FSD, excluding the Cybertruck that bundled FSD with Foundation Series, was $3,000 (or $3500, I can't remember exactly) to add it to Advanced Autopilot. It has gone up in price several times as it improved, and down in price once.

The most logical reason the subscription has halved in price, right when FSD had its biggest increase in functionality, is likely Tesla pushing people to rent, rather than buy, so that when it gains autonomous functionality, there will be a lot more cars on the road they can sell it to for a high price, likely in the neighborhood of $40 or $60K (although it may be discounted somewhat for older cars based on odometer mileage). The high price will be for its ability to replace a human driver, mostly in a commercial setting, for years to come.

In other words, when it becomes autonomous, you won't be able to rent it for anywhere near $100-$200/mo. I get it that you think it won't become autonomous anytime soon, but it appears Tesla has finally cracked the code and finally has enough compute to keep reiterating the kind of improvements we have recently seen. So, you and I differ on that point and our disagreement on whether renting or buying offers the most value, renting or buying, stem from that.

Tesla's pricing disconnect between renting and buying supports my view and discredits your view.

 

[HaulingAss]

Exactly.

For those saying “You know the monthly will just keep going up”…did you see what just happened?

After a few years at $199, they LOWERED THE PRICE by 50%!!

Maybe you didn't notice, they lowered the price of renting Supervised FSD, they did not lower the entry price to FSD that diesn't need a driver.

The only exception to that was when Tesla lowered it from $15K to $12K when they started slashing car prices due to a rising interest rate environment, in an attempt to buffer the damage to their profit margins by maintaining the FSD take rate. Remember, most new cars are financed, and when interest rates rise it makes things like FSD cost a LOT more to consumers.

 

[HaulingAss]

This article quotes the age of the average vehicle, not the time the original owner keeps it which is the discussion here because the value of FSD likely dies with the original owner's exit sale.

No. FSD runs with the vehicle, not the owner. The relevant metric is how many years of autonomous service does a car with FSD have?

 

[sharpgator]

No. FSD runs with the vehicle, not the owner. The relevant metric is how many years of autonomous service does a car with FSD have?

That is exactly what I’m saying

 

[CarMan ElecTruck]

No matter how you slice it.. you as a customer are still helping them develop this tech…

effectively paying them to help them develop, because they simply cannot afford to hire enough ‘development drivers’ for the amount of data they require… and maybe the price cut reflects this..

this in itself is the Golden Unicorn Horn of business… GENIUS

 

[HaulingAss]

That is exactly what I’m saying

I guess I don't understand your final comment:

the value of FSD likely dies with the original owner's exit sale.

 

[Crissa]

No matter how you slice it.. you as a customer are still helping them develop this tech…

effectively paying them to help them develop, because they simply cannot afford to hire enough ‘development drivers’ for the amount of data they require… and maybe the price cut reflects this..

this in itself is the Golden Unicorn Horn of business… GENIUS

Hiring drivers is, in my opinion, worse.

They don't get to choose when and where they drive, so they're not invested in the actual performance. And it's a recipe for disaster of too many hours, tired or bored.

-Crissa

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