How not to use autopilot / FSD

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The camera monitoring makes me not want to get rid of my 2018 X.

FSD 12 is legit. I have had FSD for several years and 12 seems like a big step forward in the few times I have used it. You would never know this from the news you read. It drives considerably smoother and didn’t seem to struggle at all in areas that has caused issues for every single previous version.
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The camera monitoring makes me not want to get rid of my 2018 X.

FSD 12 is legit. I have had FSD for several years and 12 seems like a big step forward in the few times I have used it. You would never know this from the news you read. It drives considerably smoother and didn’t seem to struggle at all in areas that has caused issues for every single previous version.
I agree overall. I still get random blinkers and odd lane changes but it is much better than before
 

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First and foremost want to share that I’m a fires owner of a Cybertruck FS. Already configured and waiting for VIN.

Second I’ve never owned or driven a Tesla vehicle so please ignore my ignorance on my comment below. 🫣

What’s the objective of FSD if your are still having to flex the same brain muscles as if your were actually driving the vehicle? I’m paying for the feature for my CT but truly don’t see the benefit of it if I still have to do almost everything I do when I’m driving. I’m sure my ignorance is driving this question but I’ve not heard any true feedback from true Pro. Tesla drivers.
 
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First and foremost want to share that I’m a fires owner of a Cybertruck FS. Already configured and waiting for VIN.

Second I’ve never owned or driven a Tesla vehicle so please ignore my ignorance on my comment below. 🫣

What’s the objective of FSD if your are still having to flex the same brain muscles as if your were actually driving the vehicle? I’m paying for the feature for my CT but truly don’t see the benefit of it if I still have to do almost everything I do when I’m driving. I’m sure my ignorance is driving this question but I’ve not heard any true feedback from true Pro. Tesla drivers.
No judgement here. I understand your question. The overall benefit for me has been that I'm flexing less brain muscles.

So a long drive that might have fried your nerves previously now becomes more pleasurable and once you learn the limitations of the software, you know when you need to pay attention more.

I personally do Lyft sometimes and it does probably 80% of my driving. Up from I would say 55% on the last update.

You can tweak it to be better for your driving style, so in chill mode you'll maintain a longer follow distance and change lanes less where in assertive you'll be changing lanes to find the fastest one, your follow distance will be slower, you'll get to seed faster.

Plus it should come with other cool features like ASS (actually smart summon) whenever that comes out and things like that. I love summon when I get parked next to by an idiot. In CT that would be amazing because hitting someone's car with that giant door would suck. You just tell the truck to back up a bit so you can open freely.

One other note, the price keeps going up. I think when I placed my CT order it was 7k. Now it's 12. So the earlier you buy it the better
 
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No judgement here. I understand your question. The overall benefit for me has been that I'm flexing less brain muscles.

So a long drive that might have fried your nerves previously now becomes more pleasurable and once you learn the limitations of the software, you know when you need to pay attention more.

I personally do Lyft sometimes and it does probably 80% of my driving. Up from I would say 55% on the last update.

You can tweak it to be better for your driving style, so in chill mode you'll maintain a longer follow distance and change lanes less where in assertive you'll be changing lanes to find the fastest one, your follow distance will be slower, you'll get to seed faster.

Plus it should come with other cool features like ASS (actually smart summon) whenever that comes out and things like that. I love summon when I get parked next to by an idiot. In CT that would be amazing because hitting someone's car with that giant door would suck. You just tell the truck to back up a bit so you can open freely.
Wow! Thanks for the high level and intelligent response. Really appreciate it.

I love the idea of FSD just didn’t understand the concept which I understand the concept from your educated response. I do travel long distances for work so really looking forward to testing it out whenever it becomes available to the CT. 😃
 


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There foes my single finger driving on freeways -- well, since I started to know how to drive and to-date, accident free.
 
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There foes my single finger driving on freeways -- well, since I started to know how to drive and to-date, accident free.
I can get away with 2 fingers on the bottom gently pushing left. On long drives lol
 

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Yea it's not too bad once you get used to it but it's odd for sure. They should have some sort of capacitive sensor or something.
Tesla has an awesome future solution for it.
 

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First and foremost want to share that I’m a fires owner of a Cybertruck FS. Already configured and waiting for VIN.

Second I’ve never owned or driven a Tesla vehicle so please ignore my ignorance on my comment below. 🫣

What’s the objective of FSD if your are still having to flex the same brain muscles as if your were actually driving the vehicle? I’m paying for the feature for my CT but truly don’t see the benefit of it if I still have to do almost everything I do when I’m driving. I’m sure my ignorance is driving this question but I’ve not heard any true feedback from true Pro. Tesla drivers.
What's the advantage of basic cruise control? Does cruise control allow you to relax? Aren't you still required to be aware and keep the car from running into another one?

While you are still responsible, you've learned when and where to trust cruise control. You don't worry about keeping the speed at the correct setting.

It's similar with FSD. You learn it, you start to trust it.

For basic traffic aware cruise control, I have spent enough time with it to know that it isn't going to run into another car, as long as the car is obvious (not like the Florida situation of semi across road at night)

On roads where it can do lane changes, I trust it more than I trust myself. The only thing is a rapidly approaching car and how much I want to be nice. But I've seen the car start the lane change, but then see a car coming up quickly. The car stops the lane change and waits for the vehicle to pass and starts the lane change again.

I can go on and on with things that I've learned to trust with FSD (and the things that I don't)

How much do I trust it? Well, when I flip back to an ICE, I find myself working much harder to pay attention to the road. I've learned to sight-see more with FSD.
 

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I can get away with 2 fingers on the bottom gently pushing left. On long drives lol
Understood! 😂😂😂
What's the advantage of basic cruise control? Does cruise control allow you to relax? Aren't you still required to be aware and keep the car from running into another one?

While you are still responsible, you've learned when and where to trust cruise control. You don't worry about keeping the speed at the correct setting.

It's similar with FSD. You learn it, you start to trust it.

For basic traffic aware cruise control, I have spent enough time with it to know that it isn't going to run into another car, as long as the car is obvious (not like the Florida situation of semi across road at night)

On roads where it can do lane changes, I trust it more than I trust myself. The only thing is a rapidly approaching car and how much I want to be nice. But I've seen the car start the lane change, but then see a car coming up quickly. The car stops the lane change and waits for the vehicle to pass and starts the lane change again.

I can go on and on with things that I've learned to trust with FSD (and the things that I don't)

How much do I trust it? Well, when I flip back to an ICE, I find myself working much harder to pay attention to the road. I've learned to sight-see more with FSD.
Fair point of view that I really didn’t think about when comparing to FSD.
Valid!
 


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It is kinda silly for it to ask you to wriggle the steering when it's going in a straight line.

But it has to deal with people who want to fake out the system, so...

-Crissa
PSA about the steering wheel "wriggle". There's a much better way that doesn't require pressuring the wheel back and forth. I just put and rest my left hand on the wheel at the 9-o'clock position. This provides enough weight on the wheel and it never nags asking for input. I often put my left elbow on the armrest and still usually have enough weight left to avoid nags. It's comfortable as the arm is completely resting. Maybe if someone has a small/light arm, it might not provide enough downward force on the wheel when elbow is on the armrest, in which case try to just grip and hold at the 9-o'clock while letting the elbow hang down, which should definitely provide enough pressure and still be somewhat comfortable.

I think I know why a lot of people think they have to wiggle the wheel - I thought so too for the first few weeks I was using it and it was frustrating me too. Turns out there's a one or two second delay before you correctly apply pressure and the car accepting it and removing the notification. That's why when I initially applied pressure in one direction, and notification didn't go away - it made me think I have to wiggle - then I do, and notification goes away. If you just wait a bit longer after applying pressure - you'll see the notification go away, no wiggle needed.

I hope that helps someone.


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I almost wish they would’ve went in the same direction as the GM Super Cruise and others where you have a camera behind the steering wheel tracking your eyes. That way you don’t have to be bothered to jerk the wheel every so often to indicate that you’re paying attention.
They do have a camera and they use it. Redundant systems.
 

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First and foremost want to share that I’m a fires owner of a Cybertruck FS. Already configured and waiting for VIN.

Second I’ve never owned or driven a Tesla vehicle so please ignore my ignorance on my comment below. 🫣

What’s the objective of FSD if your are still having to flex the same brain muscles as if your were actually driving the vehicle? I’m paying for the feature for my CT but truly don’t see the benefit of it if I still have to do almost everything I do when I’m driving. I’m sure my ignorance is driving this question but I’ve not heard any true feedback from true Pro. Tesla drivers.
Some day you won’t have to flex those neurons for every drive and you may appreciate still being able to go places. In the meantime, there are stretches of road where you don’t have to stretch those neurons, but you have to know when you can reliably turn it on and off.
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