How often do you use FSD?

[dalton108]

No one believed that. Even unsupervised wouldn't sell en masse for $100k.

I did. And that’s not the context. His assertion was that he would be able to sell it for that because it would basically be you buying a business and it would make you $30,000 a year minimum. And thus, if you were earning that you would have to amortize it to determine what it was worth to you And you wouldn’t sell the car for probably less than $300,000.

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[SCTesla]

With something improving so quickly it doesn't make sense to consider historical resale value or subscription cost, because someone would have to blind to think it won't go up in value once it's allowed to drive autonomously.

For the same reason, the best justification for paying $8K now is so you don't have to pay a *lot* more later. When it's allowed to drive by itself, there is no world in which you will be able to subscribe to that for $99/month! Or buy it for anything near $8K.



I don't use it more than 60% of the time (yet), but think about what you would be missing once it's allowed to drive autonomously and the cost to purchase is jacked to $25K-$50K. Maybe you would get lucky and they would offer a non-commercial, private use license for only $15K.

Maybe. There's some that believe FSD will be added for free to Teslas. The take rate is still really low on FSD, despite the improvements and while that will change with unsupervised (whenever that comes) there's a price point where it will price most out. That could be $10k or maybe even as high as $20k.

For the foreseeable future the subscription is the best deal.

 

[dalton108]

Maybe. There's some that believe FSD will be added for free to Teslas. The take rate is still really low on FSD, despite the improvements and while that will change with unsupervised (whenever that comes) there's a price point where it will price most out. That could be $10k or maybe even as high as $20k.

For the foreseeable future the subscription is the best deal.

Not maybe. This is what he asserted. I understand maybe in the context of maybe that’ll happen or not but if you were to take them in at his word which I did that that’s what he said it was going to happen - that was the plan.

 

[The Duke]

I was not using it much as it is too timid and blocks traffic around here.
Freeway speed limit is 65, but people drive 80-85 in the fast/car pool lanes. FSD will slow to mid 70's forcing people to pass on the right, or it will pull over into slower traffic, neither is what I asked for.

The solution is to set FSD to hurry, which most commuters would consider normal. Now I use it daily. It still slows for no reason, but is much better.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

I use it for long trips and highway use. It’s fantastic for driver fatigue. I probably use it 10-20% of the time. The main reason is I have caught it make mistakes. It usually happens with left turns. So much so the wife even told me that a few of the left turns really scared her with close calls. So in heavier traffic, it tends to fatigue me more because I have to be a lot more attentive. Hence I just drive it myself when scooting around town. But for long distance driving, it’s fantastic. It really takes the edge off (lowers the rage potential), and allows my puppy to sit in my lap or allows me to eat something with 2 hands without having to use the knees. I definitely am more relaxed and the wife said our last trip with FSD was the most relaxing and enjoyable. She didn’t have to worry about my cussing at the RVs and semis going 15 under the speed limit and the engine gunning.

Is it worth the money to pay for it outright? Mmmm… to each his own… but I’m not sure I would have ordered it if it didn’t come with the FS. I think when it gets to un-supervised level, I would say yes. Right now I am not sure that I would buy it out right due to my level of use. Heck I think the only time I would pay the subscription for a month was if I was going on a really long trip and spending a lot of time in the vehicle.

YMMV on how you may feel about it. Others get more use from it and see that value. I’m sure I will get there one day… it just needs to get a lot better for decision making. But it’s certainly on the right path and I am glad that I have it in my arsenal.

 

[getsometom]

Since I like driving when there isn't much traffic, I use FSD during rush hour when I want to relax.

I treat FSD like a 16 year old co-pilot, not smart enough for everything on the road but useful when I want a break or going long distance.

 

[BrickBungalow]

On the truck I use it. On my model 3 I haven't bought it so I only use it when they give me a free trial. I think its neat but not a necessity. And I kind of enjoy the challenge of improving my driving score. I think I'm at 98 now.

 

[SCTesla]

I did. And that’s not the context. His assertion was that he would be able to sell it for that because it would basically be you buying a business and it would make you $30,000 a year minimum. And thus, if you were earning that you would have to advertise it to determine what it was worth to you And you wouldn’t sell the car for probably less than $300,000.

You don't now, right?

We don't even know if HW3 can do unsupervised (Tesla doesn't either and has stated this)...nor do we know if AI4 can.

There's still a pretty long road before unsupervised, anywhere. It could be sometime in 2026 or it could be 2030.

Not maybe. This is what he asserted. I understand maybe in the context of maybe that’ll happen or not but if you were to take them in at his word which I did that that’s what he said it was going to happen - that was the plan.

Why would I take Elon at his word, especially when it comes to FSD? He once said FSD prices will only rise, buy now it's the cheapest it will ever be...then dropped dramatically.

 

[REM]

unless you have more money than you know what to do with, subscribe to FSD. It can be turned off for a while if you find yourself not using it as much.

If you purchase outright and the truck gets totaled, you are SOL.

 

[jameskk]

In speaking with a Tesla rep during a recent service center visit, I learned that FSD can be bought at any time after purchasing a Cybertruck. With an $8k price tag, it definitely adds lot to the final price of the vehicle. How often do you use FSD? 1-10, mostly never to every time you drive.

Autopilot seems to work just fine for the use case of keeping one's lane and reducing driving fatigue on the highway. Wondering what the community's thoughts were.

95% of the time since 13.2.2

 

[jameskk]

Maybe. There's some that believe FSD will be added for free to Teslas. The take rate is still really low on FSD, despite the improvements and while that will change with unsupervised (whenever that comes) there's a price point where it will price most out. That could be $10k or maybe even as high as $20k.

For the foreseeable future the subscription is the best deal.

I don't believe the take rate is low... I have two friends who purchased Model Y in the past year and both paid $8,000 for FSD. Personally, FSD is so damn good now that it is a no brainer in my opinion, but I think a lot of buyers just want to get a top of the line feature set.

 

[SCTesla]

I don't believe the take rate is low... I have two friends who purchased Model Y in the past year and both paid $8,000 for FSD. Personally, FSD is so damn good now that it is a no brainer in my opinion, but I think a lot of buyers just want to get a top of the line feature set.

The take rate is low. It's been estimated to be in the single digits prior to V13 (others have said it was as high as 12%) and while that likely has increased, it's not high enough to move the pricing. This is typically verified with NHTSA recalls or warnings on FSD. Tesla reports the total number of active FSD ownerships and subscriptions.

Elon has even made statements, "I don't understand why more people aren't buying FSD. I think they just don't know how good it is". It's one of the reasons for all the free trials.

 

[jameskk]

The take rate is low. It's been estimated to be in the single digits prior to V13 (others have said it was as high as 12%) and while that likely has increased, it's not high enough to move the pricing. This is typically verified with NHTSA recalls or warnings on FSD. Tesla reports the total number of active FSD ownerships and subscriptions.

Elon has even made statements, "I don't understand why more people aren't buying FSD. I think they just don't know how good it is". It's one of the reasons for all the free trials.

Personally I would strongly consider subscribing @ $99 mo. because I am not sure if I will own a vehicle for more than 5 years, but my only concern is they will increase that subscription price. At least buying at $8,000 locks you into a set price.

 

[SCTesla]

Personally I would strongly consider subscribing @ $99 mo. because I am not sure if I will own a vehicle for more than 5 years, but my only concern is they will increase that subscription price. At least buying at $8,000 locks you into a set price.

If you own the car for 5 years, you are paying $133 per month for FSD.

If you own it for less than that, you are paying the equivalent of a higher monthly payment.

Those crazy enough to finance FSD with the vehicles are paying even more.

Again, I've bought it previously, but it's not the best financial decision and hasn't been since launch.

 

[Gaximus]

No one believed that. Even unsupervised wouldn't sell en masse for $100k.

No one believed he would sell it at that, but if he thinks it’s worth that, and gets it approved to run unsupervised , the price will go back up to at least $15k.

If Tesla would allow you to have it locked to your account, and not the vehicle, it would lock people into the Tesla “garden” this would be great for users and Tesla, especially when electric cars start making cars that can compete with Tesla.

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