I had no choice! I had to cancel my Cybertruck order today.

[GuyV]

Agree with you Archer, I just cancelled my order for the range issue while towing.

Order? Really? Or is yours just a reservation too?

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[GuyV]

I think you might be trying to say it’s no longer worth your time. It’s kind of interesting to see how many people got all hurt hurt over me cancelling my reservation. When I posted this, I expected some negative feedback, but I really expected most would be more positive sarcasm like hey better for me because now my trucks gonna come that much earlier! It’s my choice to cancel the first of three and if Tesla can’t step up to the plate and hit a home run before my next two come up. I’ll have no choice but the cancel those reservations as well.
You see, I’m not some some yuppy kid who needs to be stroked by the crowd. My plan was to put these to work, and if CT can’t do the job they are of no use to me. It’s really that simple.

LOL, of course it's worth MY time, I am an actual Cybertruck owner. ?

 

[Archer]

Let's see, why would people be pushing back? It's a trolling headline. You absolutely had a choice. It was not an order, it was a reservation, and you did not have to cancel it, you could just wait until you are satisfied like many others.

As to not doing the job, you have never stated what the job was. We have no idea how to analyze why that might be and whether there are any better choices to do it. Your first big complaint was that it didn't win a rigged cross-country race. Your claim it was less efficient was false.

Cancelling my reservation gave me the opportunity send a message and to interact directly with Tesla to explain to them exactly why the reservation was cancelled. When I reserved these they were to have 500+ miles of range, if Tesla can’t fulfill their stated mileage the trucks won’t work for me and I have already explained this in detail when responding to a previous post.

 

[Kaz109]

Cancelling my reservation gave me the opportunity send a message and to interact directly with Tesla to explain to them exactly why the reservation was cancelled. When I reserved these they were to have 500+ miles of range.m, if Tesla can’t fulfill their stated mileage of 500+ mile range the trucks won’t work for me and I have already explained this in detail when responding to a previous post.

Waiting for you to respond to my post

 

[wh1t3rbb1t]

My turn to pile on! I've had mine for 3mo and it's everything I hoped it would be and more! There's nothing close to this vehicle in actual production yet. Will others beat it? Sure. Has that day arrived? Probably not for a few years or more.

 

[neights]

I call bullshit on this post. This smells like a plant so some “journalist” can write an article stating how someone cancelled their delivery last minute because the Cybertruck doesn’t live up to expectations. I’ve seen other posts in this forum taken out of context and used to bash Tesla. Nice try.

Exactly. I’m excited for the bashing hype to wear off.

 

[SlegMD]

Ummm, yeah, it's a pickup truck! It's called the right tool for the job. Sure, a pickup can do it, but not as efficiently as a sedan like the Model S. We knew that from the get-go.

I have a dim view of people who chose a pickup for long-distance Interstate travel and expect it to perform better than a sedan. Pickups have always been a compromise.

Pick ups compromised for less efficiency by adding fuel capacity to get ‘the job done’, obviously. It’s an option that should be addressed to be considered a truck.

Tesla is using a generalized paradigm approach for their vehicles (regarding capacity) that I feel does not properly address the utilitarian need of the pickup.

I still have my reservations #s, we will see what tesla does.

 

[agordon117]

I appreciate your feed back. Did you know my work trailer weighs just shy of 12,000lbs when fully loaded? It might be fun for you swing by the office and hook it up to your model S Sedan. I’d like to test how well the big 4-door performs when pulling the same trailer my Chevy Silverado 2500 Duramax “compromise” has no trouble hauling 300+ miles to a remote off grid job site. Granted we don’t tow 300 miles every day… but I think you get the point.

I'm not sure what feedback you think you're giving them. If you require a no stop 300+ mile range with the most extreme possible towing load, then EVs will never be for you. If, as you claim, the 340 mile cybertruck only gets 80 miles on a charge when towing a load that you expect to tow, then how do you think a 500 mile one will help you? it will only get 117 miles on a charge. So really what you're asking for is a 1300 mile range. That's how the math works. Well if they put 470kWh into a cybertruck, it would probably weigh something like 15000 lbs.

They can't change how aerodynamics work, or the fact that EVs are much more susceptible to range loss due to bad aero than ICE vehicles. So if you want an EV, you have to order a tesla semi. It's the only thing that will fit your bill. A silverado EV won't even come close to what you need. All of the loss you would get with the CT will still exist on the silverado. Same with a rivian, or a hummer. All of them will have the same issues with worst case towing.

 

[mark555055c]

This thread is lame. The slap fights on this topic have been done many months ago.

If you need a truck to haul an aerodynamically inefficient 10,000lb+ load uphill in freezing temps for 300+ miles per day every day of the week, go buy an ICE f-350 turbo diesel. An electric truck is not for you in 2024. Anyone who failed to realize this was the case from back in 2019 to now, your bad.

 

[Archer]

So you went all of the way through the process of ordering, after the specs were known. They didn't change after you placed the real order (you said you canceled a delivery today, meaning you had a real order and not a reservation). So you wasted your own and everyone at tesla's time by placing an order that you knew you would never take delivery of?

I don't understand the point of your post, or your actions.

I could understand back in november if you thought that 500 miles was a dealbreaker. The towing was never a mystery, it was always going to be bad if you tow an enormous load so you would have known from 2019 that it was terrible real range vs epa when towing... But I cannot fathom seeing the specs in november, knowing they cannot meet your apparent needs, following through with the order when you were invited for foundation series, and then canceling on delivery day.

I really hope you have delegated all important decisions in your business to someone else, because you don't seem to make good decisions at all.

It’s amazing how much time you put into such a thoughtful response. I’m so happy you have all the facts, did not embellish and know exactly how our business runs. Maybe I should hire you to take care of all our future financial decisions regarding fleet vehicles… not!

 

[Crissa]

I live in West Texas and destinations are far apart and it’s mostly hilly.

[spouse from Oklahoma sits there confused]

Hills? What? Yes, your destinations are far apart, I'll give you that, but unless you're in the extreme end of the Pecos, there aren't even 'hills'.

But that's really the far edge of a use case. Even then, you have a range of hundreds of miles available now.

-Crissa

 

[FarAway]

I think you might be trying to say it’s no longer worth your time. It’s kind of interesting to see how many people got all hurt hurt over me cancelling my reservation. When I posted this, I expected some negative feedback, but I really expected most would be more positive sarcasm like hey better for me because now my trucks gonna come that much earlier! It’s my choice to cancel the first of three and if Tesla can’t step up to the plate and hit a home run before my next two come up. I’ll have no choice but the cancel those reservations as well.
You see, I’m not some some yuppy kid who needs to be stroked by the crowd. My plan was to put these to work, and if CT can’t do the job they are of no use to me. It’s really that simple.

Archer,
I did read your original post. I completely understand given your situation and want to say it was VERY brave of you to share that opinion in the "Thunderdome", lol.

Yes, the range is also MY biggest disappointment in the CT... but I am not regularly towing a trailer (only about 8x a year wife's horse trailer) and I only drove greater than 300 miles in a single day 3x this year, to date. The last being a 1200-mile round trip from Culpeper, VA to Rome, GA... 5am to midnight.... I would NOT have done that in a CT. The CT for me is my first EV and it will be my personal vehicle. luckily, I do have access to an ICE for trailering and longer distance trips. The CT works extremely well for over 95% of my driving.

It sounds like in your situation you made the right call, cancel the order and wait for the battery technology to improve. I keep hoping for Moore's* law to kick it in for EV milage and battery technology, but alas, it has not. (* Moore's law is a prediction that the number of transistors on a computer chip will double every two years. It was made by Gordon Moore, cofounder of Intel. Moore's law is not a law of physics, but an observation of a historical trend in technology. It implies that computers will become faster, smaller, and more efficient over time.)

Having said all that, I just completed my order for a CB. As a self-described tech geek and nerd, I am also a fan of Tesla and Elon... you remember the country song, High Tech Redneck ( )?

The Beast will be my first EV, hell, it even will be the first EV among my family and circle of friends... so I am trailblazing. Wish me luck. I really wish EV's had not become so "politized" by both sides.

Anyhow, I am glad you kept your other two orders for now, maybe if they don't work out for the business one can become your personal truck. Good luck!

 

[Archer]

I'm not sure what feedback you think you're giving them. If you require a no stop 300+ mile range with the most extreme possible towing load, then EVs will never be for you. If, as you claim, the 340 mile cybertruck only gets 80 miles on a charge when towing a load that you expect to tow, then how do you think a 500 mile one will help you? it will only get 117 miles on a charge. So really what you're asking for is a 1300 mile range. That's how the math works. Well if they put 470kWh into a cybertruck, it would probably weigh something like 15000 lbs.

They can't change how aerodynamics work, or the fact that EVs are much more susceptible to range loss due to bad aero than ICE vehicles. So if you want an EV, you have to order a tesla semi. It's the only thing that will fit your bill. A silverado EV won't even come close to what you need. All of the loss you would get with the CT will still exist on the silverado. Same with a rivian, or a hummer. All of them will have the same issues with worst case towing.

I like your response, it was thoughtful, filled with fact and lacks the sarcasm of so many other posts by people who have gotten butt hurt by my original post. I did not purchase the Rivian or the Chevy because as you stated, they would not have served our needs. However, the cyber truck with 500 miles of range may not have been perfect, but we could’ve made it work. One of my challenges is that we are based near the coast in Huntington Beach, California, and no matter which direction we point this buggy, every other major Freeway heading out has a significant increase in elevation. With the limited range of the current cyber truck, many of our destinations like Morro Bay, Lancaster, lake, arrowhead, Barstow, and especially Flagstaff are well beyond the reach of the cyber truck. Windshield time is very costly for any company, and the ability to get from A to B efficiently, that to say at normal fwy speeds and with minimal stops, good or bad, will impact our bottom line.

 

[Doug McAllister]

I had the invitation to order. I was just holding on to see when that might happen. I expected the price to increase but from $40k to $120 k is a bit much. I could hold on for longer range but I’m in my 70s so kind of tired of waiting.

 

[Archer]

Archer,
I did read your original post. I completely understand given your situation and want to say it was VERY brave of you to share that opinion in the "Thunderdome", lol.

Yes, the range is also MY biggest disappointment in the CT... but I am not regularly towing a trailer (only about 8x a year wife's horse trailer) and I only drove greater than 300 miles in a single day 3x this year, to date. The last being a 1200-mile round trip from Culpeper, VA to Rome, GA... 5am to midnight.... I would NOT have done that in a CT. The CT for me is my first EV and it will be my personal vehicle. luckily, I do have access to an ICE for trailering and longer distance trips. The CT works extremely well for over 95% of my driving.

It sounds like in your situation you made the right call, cancel the order and wait for the battery technology to improve. I keep hoping for Moore's* law to kick it in for EV milage and battery technology, but alas, it has not. (* Moore's law is a prediction that the number of transistors on a computer chip will double every two years. It was made by Gordon Moore, cofounder of Intel. Moore's law is not a law of physics, but an observation of a historical trend in technology. It implies that computers will become faster, smaller, and more efficient over time.)

Having said all that, I just completed my order for a CB. As a self-described tech geek and nerd, I am also a fan of Tesla and Elon... you remember the country song, High Tech Redneck ( )?

The Beast will be my first EV, hell, it even will be the first EV among my family and circle of friends... so I am trailblazing. Wish me luck. I really wish EV's had not become so "politized" by both sides.

Anyhow, I am glad you kept your other two orders for now, maybe if they don't work out for the business one can become your personal truck. Good luck!

I’m sure you are aware that the battery pack on the current truck is only half full of cells. All Tesla needs to do is fill up all that empty space with batteries and they would have a viable truck, no need to wait for future technology. Unfortunately, if they do that now, it will destroy, the resale value of the trucks they’re selling today. Regardless of when Tesla decided to outfit the CT with all the battery cells it was designed for, I’m sure they’re going to piss off a lot of people who purchased the foundation series only to have its value wiped out overnight.

Thunderdome! Thanks brother, I am still laughing.

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