If a full size AND mid size Cybertruck were available, what size would you order?

[Cyber_Dav]

If I had wanted something different I would have bought something different.

Now you know this is a fib. In the world of EV trucks, there is no "something different".

edit to add: to buy, as stated. Future options not under discussion.

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[gphenix]

Now you know this is a fib. In the world of EV trucks, there is no "something different".

edit to add: to buy, as stated. Future options not under discussion.

There is still something different even for an ICE vehicle. When I saw the Cyber Truck listed as it was and to my knowledge still is I’m still sold on it. Unlike many I do not have the years left, as not one more is promised, to wait on something better than what this truck is now. Don’t misunderstand me I am a healthy senior citizen who is still working full time.

 

[TechOps]

Full size. Because 'Murica and no need to justify it.

I really want an electric rectangle (Suburban/Tahoe), but for now I'll settle for a triangle.

 

[Cybertruck Hawaii]

Full size or a mid size Cybertruck? The styling would be identical but the “Wolverine” mid sized truck would be more compact and easily fit inside the average US garage. Cast your vote on the upper left of the page!

Cybertruck needs to compete with the best selling pickup truck, Ford F-150. The Ranger won’t cut it.

 

[Crissa]

Cybertruck needs to compete with the best selling pickup truck, Ford F-150. The Ranger won’t cut it.

That's entirely perpendicular to there being a smaller truck option. Ford sells both. They don't sell so many F150s outside the US but lots of Rangers,

-Crissa

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Cybertruck needs to compete with the best selling pickup truck, Ford F-150. The Ranger won’t cut it.

The Ranger is the best selling truck in Australia.

 

[TechOps]

The Ranger is the best selling truck in Australia.

And what conclusion are people supposed to draw from that information? As another data point, Ford sells more than 20X the number of F-150s in the USA as they do Rangers in Australia.

How are light truck sales patterns in Australia supposed to be relevant for the Cybertruck?

 

[Crissa]

How are light truck sales patterns in Australia supposed to be relevant for the Cybertruck?

It's an example that the smaller trucks do have a market, it's just spread across the world. There's a potential for even more sales, as there's no current long-range BEV light truck available.

-Crissa

 

[TechOps]

It's an example that the smaller trucks do have a market, it's just spread across the world. There's a potential for even more sales, as there's no current long-range BEV light truck available.

-Crissa

Sure, definitely a market both domestic and foreign, but it's not low-hanging fruit. I'd say once they have a few years of production experience with CT, it would make sense to explore a CT mini and start scavenging for smaller market sales with expensive delivery logistics, like AU. But there would be opportunity cost with other efforts such as a transport van, and ramp of other projects like Semi.. hopefully in-house scaled battery production will remove the current zero-sum battery situation by then.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Sure, definitely a market both domestic and foreign, but it's not low-hanging fruit. I'd say once they have a few years of production experience with CT, it would make sense to explore a CT mini and start scavenging for smaller market sales with expensive delivery logistics, like AU. But there would be opportunity cost with other efforts such as a transport van, and ramp of other projects like Semi.. hopefully in-house scaled battery production will remove the current zero-sum battery situation by then.

Think about this in the context of the Tesla mission, the opportunity cost is the externality of public perception of EV’s.

Its not only about absolute profitability and market share. Tesla does not want to beat Ford down and make their EV products impossible to sell/manufacture, spreading Tesla’s production capacity globally pushes legacy OEM’S to also offer EV products globally, whilst still holding market share in their most profitable markets.

 

[rr6013]

Think about this in the context of the Tesla mission, the opportunity cost is the externality of public perception of EV’s.

It not only about absolute profitability and market share. Tesla does not want to beat Ford down and make their EV products impossible to sell/manufacture, spreading the production capacity globally pushes OEM’S to also offer EV products globally, whilst still holding market share in their most profitable markets.

FORD have made their product impossible to sell/manufacture on its own. They could continue selling worldwide the next 10 years without a single EV in their most profitable markets. The end of which time FORD will be the last man standing unable to sell a damn vehicle. Cost of petrol, tariffs and environ tax nobody can afford a FORD. That’s a real externality.

Tesla absolutely wants FORD EV product impossible to manufacture. Emergent is Tesla absolute superiority in drive components, energy storage, software integration and external value-add network effects.

Tesla may be approaching a change in strategy where aggregation, co-development and synergies provide standardiztions that enable economies of scale to effect wholesale price reductions that trickle down to more affordable electric cars. The huge win-win being side-effects owing to VPP(VirtualPowerPlant) for AUS V2G, Autobidder revenue to EV owners and Tesla in-car software systems that add additional value.

TSLA focus remains decarbonization, technologies and synergies without needing to build 6 new Giga factories every year to make more cars. Existing brands already know how, equipped to build cars and simply standardize electronics on Tesla.

Remaking the auto industry in no reflection to its past history of consolidation affords stratification of revenue streams with vehicle as platform to loft networked profit centers, fast economies of scale and accelerated uptake of decarbonization.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Tesla absolutely wants FORD EV product impossible to manufacture.

No, this goes against the Tesla mission, and would slow the transition to sustainability.

Tesla can’t do this alone and by Tesla making such compelling products; the incumbents are dragged, kicking and screaming, to do the right thing by consumers, fleet operators and the planet.

The ICE age clearly has an expiry date. Although Elon’s statements that purchasing anything but an EV now is a waste of money might true in many places, it will be another few years before it’s true globally.

Tesla is not so big on the V2G thing.
V2X yes, but autobidder is more likely a powerwall thing.

 

[OvisAriesFarm]

Would be nice for FSD to have a caravan mode. Where we can line up the two or more CTs and have them follow right behind each other to a destination.

Love that idea!!

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Love that idea!!

I think the accepted term is called platooning.
Caravanning is probably more correct but in many places it means towing an RV trailer.

 

[rr6013]

No, this goes against the Tesla mission, and would slow the transition to sustainability.

Tesla can’t do this alone and by Tesla making such compelling products; the incumbents are dragged, kicking and screaming, to do the right thing by consumers, fleet operators and the planet.

The ICE age clearly has an expiry date. Although Elon’s statements that purchasing anything but an EV now is a waste of money might true in many places, it will be another few years before it’s true globally.

Tesla is not so big on the V2G thing.
V2X yes, but autobidder is more likely a powerwall thing.

Once was firmly in your camp.

After “bundling” Powerwall Tesla signaled its very serious putting Powerwall between real decarbonizers and entrenched greenhouse producers. It got to Elon half-assed setups(solar only/powerwall only) were not effecting measurable results, impeding VPP and just creating another hurdle to decarbonization.

Elon threat that he may not get to Mars in his lifetime redoubled his efforts to punch AGW hard as possible. Tesla chose to put all the wood behind its arrow.

There’s real change agents and posers, half-baked schemes and ideas that haven’t a chance of making a dent in AGW. A chance that reduces CO2 in human lifetime. Now is that last great opportunity with COVID turning the graph trend to commit or die trying into the realm of the impossible - Elon’s nightmare.

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