Iphone charging, overheating the phone, possible cause?

[txturbo]

I am wondering if the reason my phone overheats is that it does not sit flush on the pad due to the iPhone's lens.

Any way to verify this?

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[Brandon708]

I notice mine overheats too. I sometimes need to move it.

 

[Woodrick]

It's a problem with the newer iPhones focusing on MagSafe charging and not working well with older solutions.
Older iPhone don't really have the problem.

 

[Killlbox]

Yup, it boils my phone too. Lots of conversations here about it.

Has anyone heard about a possible fix?

 

[ThatGuyBo]

It's a problem with the newer iPhones focusing on MagSafe charging and not working well with older solutions.
Older iPhone don't really have the problem.

Uh… MagSafe is Qi/Qi2. The charging itself is no different from a technical standpoint. Nothing about it being MagSafe or Apple is the reason it’s overheating in the CT.

 

[Woodrick]

Uh… MagSafe is Qi/Qi2. The charging itself is no different from a technical standpoint. Nothing about it being MagSafe or Apple is the reason it’s overheating in the CT.

Except where Apple is placing the receivers.

 

[ThatGuyBo]

Except where Apple is placing the receivers.

Oh, that’s just an apple issue? Oh wait… nope, the coils are placed differently on phones due to the design, such as size, shape, camera placement, etc,
Again, it’s not an Apple issue. People have issues with many android phones in their Model 3s, the Pixel 7 is notably inconsistent.

Older phones have different dimensions leading to different placement of the coils on Tesla’s charging pad, so the inefficiencies of Tesla’s coil placement and size aren’t as exaggerated on those older phones.

I am still not sure why you are arguing about this being an apple issue?Any other phone with a coil not aligned with Tesla’s coil will run into the same issue. It’s a shitty design by Tesla, not Apple.

 

[The Tesla Guy]

I had an idea for a product to solve this issue.
Was hoping it already existed.
I searched the internet for it with no luck. May not be technically possible.
A MagSafe to Qi adapter.
I envisioned a hockey puck that had a Qi receiver on one side and MagSafe on the other.
At least thick enough to overcome the lense protrusion.
Any thoughts?

 

[Woodrick]

Oh, that’s just an apple issue? Oh wait… nope, the coils are placed differently on phones due to the design, such as size, shape, camera placement, etc,
Again, it’s not an Apple issue. People have issues with many android phones in their Model 3s, the Pixel 7 is notably inconsistent.

Older phones have different dimensions leading to different placement of the coils on Tesla’s charging pad, so the inefficiencies of Tesla’s coil placement and size aren’t as exaggerated on those older phones.

I am still not sure why you are arguing about this being an apple issue?Any other phone with a coil not aligned with Tesla’s coil will run into the same issue. It’s a shitty design by Tesla, not Apple.

Previously the coils were basically all in one place so that they would connect when put on a stand-up phone holder.

The Apple decided that they wanted taller phones (Steve rolling in his grave) and came up with MagSafe to allow it. The magnetic became the centering point, not the distance from the bottom of the phone.

One may ask themselves, why isn't this as big of an issue for non-iPhone users?

 

[UberNoob]

I just plan to use my UGREEN MagSafe mount on the back of the display, it has a cooling fan built in. Have 3 of these, desk bed and car.

https://a.co/d/8iiwdMX

 

[HaulingAss]

Oh, that’s just an apple issue? Oh wait… nope, the coils are placed differently on phones due to the design, such as size, shape, camera placement, etc,
Again, it’s not an Apple issue. People have issues with many android phones in their Model 3s, the Pixel 7 is notably inconsistent.

Older phones have different dimensions leading to different placement of the coils on Tesla’s charging pad, so the inefficiencies of Tesla’s coil placement and size aren’t as exaggerated on those older phones.

I am still not sure why you are arguing about this being an apple issue?Any other phone with a coil not aligned with Tesla’s coil will run into the same issue. It’s a shitty design by Tesla, not Apple.

No, it's a shitty design by Apple. Apple has a long history of trying to prop up their walled garden ecosystem and making things proprietary. They were late to wireless charging capability because they were making a killing on their proprietary Apple charging cables. And then, when they finally offered wireless charging, they did it their own way, so people would buy their own Apple wireless chargers. Sure, you can use another brand if you want, Apple wanted to make sure their brand always worked a little better.

Magsafe is a royalty-bearing patented standard that goes beyond the industry's wireless charging standards (that are free for anyone to use). It's just one more attempt to keep people in their walled garden. Apple purposefully designed their phones to charge best on "magsafe" chargers (while still claiming compatibility with non-magsafe chargers). Tesla didn't need or want that kind of proprietary, royalty-bearing standards in their cars.

Both of our Samsung phones charge normally in the Cybertruck, no problem. The greed of Apple is the problem here.

 

[HaulingAss]

I had an idea for a product to solve this issue.
Was hoping it already existed.
I searched the internet for it with no luck. May not be technically possible.
A MagSafe to Qi adapter.
I envisioned a hockey puck that had a Qi receiver on one side and MagSafe on the other.
At least thick enough to overcome the lense protrusion.
Any thoughts?

Magsafe is supposed to be compatible with Qi (without needing any adapter). But Apple knows how to stretch the definition of "compatible".

 

[jimnycricket65]

Can Tesla fix this heating with one of their updates? If it is physical, I will live with it... Sometimes, I will charge, something I won't.

 

[ThatGuyBo]

TLDR;

No alignment standard/specification exists for Qi2.
Magsafe and Qi2 charge using the same power specifications.
This issue exists on any device where the inductive charging coil does not align with Tesla's placement. Coil alignment from the bottom of the phone is the issue here, it is why certain phones will charge more efficiently when placed upside down.
This is also an Issue on other vehicles such as the F150, Rivian, MY, and M3

No, it's a shitty design by Apple. Apple has a long history of trying to prop up their walled garden ecosystem and making things proprietary. They were late to wireless charging capability because they were making a killing on their proprietary Apple charging cables. And then, when they finally offered wireless charging, they did it their own way, so people would buy their own Apple wireless chargers. Sure, you can use another brand if you want, Apple wanted to make sure their brand always worked a little better.

Magsafe is a royalty-bearing patented standard that goes beyond the industry's wireless charging standards (that are free for anyone to use). It's just one more attempt to keep people in their walled garden. Apple purposefully designed their phones to charge best on "magsafe" chargers (while still claiming compatibility with non-magsafe chargers). Tesla didn't need or want that kind of proprietary, royalty-bearing standards in their cars.

Both of our Samsung phones charge normally in the Cybertruck, no problem. The greed of Apple is the problem here.

What a pointless rant. Nothing you said had anything to do with the issue at hand nor did it address what you quoted. You are just whining about a company you don't like, while ignoring any actual information. Imagine being so defensive because you dislike a certain brand or product that you just make up vague statements with no actual understanding of the design or issues? Almost like all of those people in the Cyberstuck subreddit. ?

Apple first offered Qi charging on the iPhone X. That is not their solution, not their own way. You are so full of shit or just maliciously ignorant, lol. Why lie?

You are providing nothing to the topic at hand as you aren't capable of addressing, in words, what the issue is with the Wireless Charger 5.0. Instead you for some reason want to argue about Apple. I don't think anyone here cares that you hate Apple, chill out.

Magsafe is not what you think it is, links down below.
Qi2 charges any Magsafe device at the same speed and efficiency given that the coils are lined up properly (as is the case with any Qi2 phone). The wattage and in turn voltage and amperage, are all the exact same according to FCC filings and their respective specification/datasheets. Since the iPhone 12 there’s been plenty of testing and not a single person or group has shown otherwise.

Your last statement is anecdotal, which is useless as there are plenty of other anecdotal statements from people with phones such as the Pixel 6, Pixel 7, Pixel Fold and Z Fold 6, all but one of which use the Qi at 5-10w, not Qi2 at 15w. Just because something is true for one person or one device does not make it true for every other person or device.

Magsafe is supposed to be compatible with Qi (without needing any adapter). But Apple knows how to stretch the definition of "compatible".

There is no difference in how the coils function, how the induction works, and the power delivery specifications.
There are no specifications as to where the Qi2 receiver must be placed on a phone. The alignment of the induction coil is not defined by its specifications and standard. Nor did every iPhone pre-MagSafe locate it in the exact same location, they were all different but the difference extremely minimal as can be seen in x-Ray scans by ifixit.

Magsafe is actually beneficial for wireless charging as it aligns the coils to give minimal alignment inefficiencies, something the Qi2 standard is missing. Though, it has been implemented on phones such as the pixel.

Previously the coils were basically all in one place so that they would connect when put on a stand-up phone holder.

The Apple decided that they wanted taller phones (Steve rolling in his grave) and came up with MagSafe to allow it. The magnetic became the centering point, not the distance from the bottom of the phone.

One may ask themselves, why isn't this as big of an issue for non-iPhone users?

Steve Jobs died before wireless charging was implemented and he died well before the first large iPhone, the 6 Plus. He was not around for it’s development at all.

This charging issue exists on other phones, and for the reasons I previously stated though iPhones are the most common phones in the US, so it is reasonable to presume most people reporting this issue on vehicles with angled charging pads would use iPhones. This issue exists in other vehicles as well.

I have this issue on my Pixel and a friend on his Galaxy. My old iPhone 13 charges with little issue when I tested it but the iPhone 12 mini got notably warm.

Coil alignment is where inefficiencies are created. The phone being an iPhone has nothing to do with it... It's all about coil alignment. This has to do with the charging pad, not the phone as there is no standard placement for coils defined by the Qi2 standard. So again, no, it has nothing to do with Apple, Tesla decided what coils to use and where to place them for the Wireless Charger 5.0. They could have implemented multiple coils or an adjustable bottom.

Here are two posts where users with non-apple devices share issues:
https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...r-why-doesnt-it-work.17751/page-2#post-335414

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...-charger-why-doesnt-it-work.17751/post-338635


For anyone who wants to see there are no differences in the charging spec:

Magsafe Datasheet:
https://fcc.report/FCC-ID/2AN72-A669/6396709.pdf

https://developer.apple.com/accessories/Accessory-Design-Guidelines.pdf

Qi 2 Specs
https://fcc.report/FCC-ID/A4X-MPP15-1TNNA/7297891.pdf

Qi 2 Data sheets:
https://www.wirelesspowerconsortium...pecifications/download-the-qi-specifications/

 

[ThatGuyBo]

Can Tesla fix this heating with one of their updates? If it is physical, I will live with it... Sometimes, I will charge, something I won't.

Doubtful as even at lower wattage the alignment inefficiency still creates heat, wasting energy that doesn’t make it to the phone. It occurs on other android devices that charge at 5w and 10w.
The real solution is either a multi-coil array or a coil that is higher up that allows for a spacer to be used to align smaller phones.

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