Master Plan Part 3: Cybertruck Stated To Carry a 100kWh High Nickel Battery Pack, ex. Model X / S

[CostcoSamples]

So according to this, CT will have a range of 222 miles.

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[cvalue13]

Maybe the thread title needs changed

@greggertruck’s productivity and enthusiasm is undeniable and I wouldn’t change a thing.

but sometimes a bit of confusion ensues

“CT is not stated to carry 100kWh High Nickel Battery pack” would be an example title

 

[Ogre]

So according to this, CT will have a range of 222 miles.

According to this, things which fall into the category of Large Sedan, SUV, or Truck will average 100 kWh.

That is it. This table says not a fucking thing about the Cybertruck specifically other than telling you what category it falls under.

 

[Foxx]

spot on

Pretty sure this slide is not describing what CT will use.

the chart is within a section describing how transition to green will require, amongst other things, conversion to BEVs - and providing estimates of what that future may look like or require.

This slide is then attempting to make an estimation of the TWh of batteries that would be needed for complete BEV conversion globally. To arrive at that TWh estimate, it assumes that larger vehicles will need more energy-dense batteries, and will on average need about a 100kWh pack of those high density batteries.

This chart simply gives a “Tesla equivalent” example of the sizes of vehicles likely to need various energy-density packs, and on average what those pack sizes would be, in order to come up with a loosely accurate estimation of global TWhs needed.

It does not say that the CyberTruck itself will use a Nickle battery, or have a 100kWh pack, when releases. Maybe it will or won’t, but this chart isn’t taking a position on that

Here’s the operative description of the chart (and it’s FN):

“Vehicles

Today there are 1.4B vehicles globally and annual passenger vehicle production of ~85M vehicles, according to OICA. Based on pack size assumptions, the vehicle fleet will require 112 TWh of batteriesaa. Autonomy has potential to reduce the global fleet, and annual production required, through improved vehicle utilization.

Standard-range vehicles can utilize the lower energy density chemistries (LFP), whereas long-range vehicles require higher energy density chemistries (high nickel). Cathode assignment to vehicle segment is listed in the table below. High Nickel refers to low to zero cobalt Nickel Manganese cathodes currently in production, under development at Tesla, Tesla’s suppliers and in research groups.

[FN:]
To approximate the battery storage required to displace 100% of road vehicles, the global fleet size, pack size (kWh)/ Global passenger fleet size and annual production (~85M vehicles/year) is based on data from OICA. The number of vehicles by segment is estimated based on S&P Global sales data. For buses and trucks, the US-to-global fleet scalar of ~5x is used as global data was unavailable.”

 

[Crissa]

Charts in a general Master Plan are likely not exact specs, but rather minimal or example values to support the presented concept. I would not fixate on too many details of it as though it were a final spec sheet, because of course it is certainly not.

Yeah, probably average values to round out the math.

-Crissa

 

[cvalue13]

According to this, things which fall into the category of Large Sedan, SUV, or Truck will average 100 kWh…. in a future world where battery tech has matured, BEVs power needs have been optimized, and transportation has been redefined by widespread autonomous driving

thought I’d add/emphasize your point

 

[SparkChaser]

The optimizing of a vehicle for EV is critical. The relic companies are still learning that. My experience with a ford Focus EV was terrible. Things like a vent that dos not need a fan to give you fresh air was overlooked. Just turning on the fan for outside air lost 10 miles range.
I hav enever had a Tesla but I hope things like this are resolved. Efficency meam everything.

 

[Crissa]

The optimizing of a vehicle for EV is critical. The relic companies are still learning that. My experience with a ford Focus EV was terrible. Things like a vent that dos not need a fan to give you fresh air was overlooked. Just turning on the fan for outside air lost 10 miles range.
I hav enever had a Tesla but I hope things like this are resolved. Efficency meam everything.

...Generally cars use cabin fans because it's more aerodynamic to not have flow-through vents on the skin.

Like, I haven't had a car with a flow-through vent since the 80s. And when was the last time an American car had one? The 60s?

-Crissa

 

[happy intruder]

I am more interested in power consumption of production CT at 70 mph. I am sure we will have acceptable battery size options. Not sure about the prices that goes with those options.

my guess it 450kWh to 490kWh.....I just took a trip to Salt Lake City, Ut last week in my 202o Model S.....lots of wind both ways..... I averaged 255kWh at 68 mph going and 249kWh at 73mph coming home......mostly uphill going and downhill coming home......I can live with those numbers......But, like you, I am worried about the CT's battery size, consumption and range.....I have opted for the tri-motor but will not accept it if less than 425miles range......would take a dual motor with 450-500....but again, wha is the actual consumption?......all big questions that have yet to be defined or answered that I can see by Tesla

 

[happy intruder]

...Generally cars use cabin fans because it's more aerodynamic to not have flow-through vents on the skin.

Like, I haven't had a car with a flow-through vent since the 80s. And when was the last time an American car had one? The 60s?

-Crissa

yea, small windows you could maneuver to direct air....My 1966 GTO have those.....

 

[Ogre]

My point isn’t so much that the Cybertruck‘s battery size will be any specific number. My point is the table which is being referenced does not say what the pack size of any specific vehicle will be. It is talking about a category. I don’t think you are really talking about this one way or the other, just clarifying the point I was trying to make.

It’s possible the Cybertruck could get 300 miles on a 100 kWh pack. I was thinking 110 - 125 kWh was more likely, but I wouldn’t rule out 100 kWh. Obviously the 500 mile Cybertruck isn’t going to have a 100 kWh pack, nor is the average of the 2 going to be 100 kWh. The number is a broad stroke, not about any specific product.

 

[SpaceYooper]

And when was the last time an American car had one? The 60s?

-Crissa

At least until the mid 70s. I don't remember the model year, (I want to say it was a 77') but one of the first vehicles I remember riding in as a kid was a Silverado and it had vents in the foot space that could be manually opened and closed with the push and pull of a rod.

 

[Bill906]

...Generally cars use cabin fans because it's more aerodynamic to not have flow-through vents on the skin.

Like, I haven't had a car with a flow-through vent since the 80s. And when was the last time an American car had one? The 60s?

-Crissa

Not saying this rule is hard and fast, but in my experience, back in the '80's (and before) air conditioning was an option. To me it seemed cars without AC had flow-through vents, Cars without AC didn't. As AC became standard, flow-through vents went away.

 

[Arctic_White]

My point isn’t so much that the Cybertruck‘s battery size will be any specific number. My point is the table which is being referenced does not say what the pack size of any specific vehicle will be. It is talking about a category. I don’t think you are really talking about this one way or the other, just clarifying the point I was trying to make.

It’s possible the Cybertruck could get 300 miles on a 100 kWh pack. I was thinking 110 - 125 kWh was more likely, but I wouldn’t rule out 100 kWh. Obviously the 500 mile Cybertruck isn’t going to have a 100 kWh pack, nor is the average of the 2 going to be 100 kWh. The number is a broad stroke, not about any specific product.

This is pure speculation, of course, but I suspect that the Cybertruck will have at least a 140 kWh battery pack for the regular range and a 200 kWh battery pack for the long range.

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