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The $7500 Consume tax credit on the non-foundation rear wheel drive does not qualify due to it having cathodes come from China.
I was told by an employee at a tesla store that the $7500 is not for individuals but for business only. Correct?
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Exclusive: Trump's transition team aims to kill Biden EV tax credit

November 14, 202410:09 AM PST

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...eam-aims-kill-biden-ev-tax-credit-2024-11-14/
I'm pretty excited about getting rid of the EV tax credit, they give EVs a bad name to people who believe in free markets. It's too bad the subsidies to oil and gas will likely remain, but I'm hopeful they will get rid of some of the worst offenders in an attempt to make Government more responsible.
 

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I'm pretty excited about getting rid of the EV tax credit, they give EVs a bad name to people who believe in free markets. It's too bad the subsidies to oil and gas will likely remain, but I'm hopeful they will get rid of some of the worst offenders in an attempt to make Government more responsible.
Agreed. IMO it will stop distorting EV MSRP's. All it does is give the manufacturer an incentive to increase the price. It will also encourage more efficiency at companies with bloated unions and administrative costs.
 


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Just means the chatbot "training" data included material by the sort of radical environmentalists that want most of humanity (except for themselves, of course) to die off. Or radical eugenicists, given the exchange being about the challenges facing older people.

Or just maybe, the end of the chain of responses is death, which definitely ends the sequence (obvious in a way, but clearly not helpful). Of course death doesn't solve anything, it just avoids even trying.

Pretty sure that a lot of these AI's are trained not just on well vetted factual information, but on fiction, news articles describing non-fact-based behavior, etc. And of course there can be associations that are strong but misleading, resulting in "AI hallucinations". That should happen much less often if two conditions are met: high quality training data (very labor intensive, except for hard sciences with peer-reviewed publications) and a narrow enough domain of knowledge (fusion research, or medical diagnostics, or whatever) that connections or repetitions are more likely to be meaningful.

But AI is not going to become Skynet (Terminator series) or anything like that. It has no initiative. Human error or laziness, AI error, and human abuse of AI are real enough, but new silicon masters that want to overthrow the old carbon-based order (us) is absurdly unlikely, despite having been around for decades in some sci-fi.

There's only one easy way to create sentience, it takes nine months plus some years of training. Unfortunately the quality of the result is too often in doubt. We've got hundreds of thousands of years practice at that (as a species) and don't get it consistently right; no way we're going to get something totally synthetic in a few decades.
 

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I couldn't care less what people think of EVs. Whatever accelerates adoption is the the best approach from my perspective. At this point, data shows that incentives have done exactly that. I hate subsidies/incentives, but until they are equally distributed (i.e. probably never) - the current approach is just fine by me.
 

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Tesla is building a cathode factory at giga Texas so they don’t need to import the cathode material. Who knows when it will ramp up
I don't think that's correct that Tesla won't need to import cathode material. From what I understand, Tesla cathodes are made from nickel, cobalt, and aluminum and none of these is mined in the U.S.
 

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I'm pretty excited about getting rid of the EV tax credit, they give EVs a bad name to people who believe in free markets. It's too bad the subsidies to oil and gas will likely remain, but I'm hopeful they will get rid of some of the worst offenders in an attempt to make Government more responsible.
Agreed. Maybe the DOGE Boys can be Trump whisperers, and push limiting the oil subsidies as a trade-off for the inevitable deregulation coming to that industry. It would certainly cut back on unnecessary government spending!
 


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I don't think that's correct that Tesla won't need to import cathode material. From what I understand, Tesla cathodes are made from nickel, cobalt, and aluminum and none of these is mined in the U.S.
The nickel, collet & aluminum only need come from countries with trade agreements with the US like Canada who has plenty of all of these
 

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The nickel, collet & aluminum only need come from countries with trade agreements with the US like Canada who has plenty of all of these
Without getting into specifics, just know that there are not nearly enough battery minerals from qualifying countries to meet all the EVs made in America. It's not how large the reserves are, it's how much is currently available in the open markets.
 

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Agreed. Maybe the DOGE Boys can be Trump whisperers, and push limiting the oil subsidies as a trade-off for the inevitable deregulation coming to that industry. It would certainly cut back on unnecessary government spending!
That would be nice, but chances are slim because it wouldn't help Trumps goal of making gas cheap again.
 

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The nickel, collet & aluminum only need come from countries with trade agreements with the US like Canada who has plenty of all of these
I guess that's possible, but switching suppliers won't be fast or cheap.

As a side note, I went down a rabbit hole and learned that according to data Tesla submitted to the NHTSA, about 15-25% of their vehicle content comes from outside the US or Canada.
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