New Naked Cybertruck BIW Pics + Analysis!

[CyberGus]

Thank you for the reply.
The model Y is not stainless steel. Aluminum and SS do not play well together, particularly if they get wet and especially if it is seawater, thus galvanic corrosion. Anyone that has been on a sailboat has probably seen this. I am sure Elon has had his top engineers work that out. ?

The Model Y is not stainless steel, but it is steel. Dissimilar metals are mated all over the castings, so I'm sure this was accounted for.

I'm not at all worried that the engineers neglected this detail.

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[FarAway]

The Model Y is not stainless steel, but it is steel. Dissimilar metals are mated all over the castings, so I'm sure this was accounted for.

I'm not at all worried that the engineers neglected this detail.

It is the paint on the Y's steel that insulates/protects it, also regular steel is not as suspectable as stainless steel is to galvanic corrosion.

 

[RVAC]

(in fact the R1T is wider than an F150)

The width Rivian quotes is with mirrors folded, for whatever reason they don't provide a width without mirrors.

R1T mirrors folded: 81.8in
F-150 mirrors folded: 83.6in

 

[Coolbreeze704]

It's now a fairly conventional monocoque construction.
It was conceived to be an exoskeleton and as such had heavy gauge stainless steel body panels because they were intended to be structural. They are no longer required to be structural and are just external body cladding which are traditionally made of pretty thin gauge body panels. I ask the question (and Crista, I am not trolling!) does this not make the Cybertruck unnecessarily heavy?

It's been a LONG time since Bill could fit into that yellow Star Trek tunic (even with the girdle on).

Captain Kirk is 92!

I hope I'm as active and on top of things at 82.

 

[cvalue13]

The width Rivian quotes is with mirrors folded, for whatever reason they don't provide a width without mirrors.

R1T mirrors folded: 81.8in
F-150 mirrors folded: 83.6in

F150 width without mirrors is 79.9” - avoiding as per custom the wide vehicle marker lights

Rivian without mirrors is 79”, for the same reasons

So you’re night that depending on how you want to measure things the Rivian is a touch smaller - but absent mirrors being the most relevant (which is why the regs measure it that way)

That 0.9” less width, though - if we’re double clicking - is accompanied by a disproportionate 7.1” narrower at shoulder room, and 8.4” narrower at the hip room

though again? The reason being in part that the arivian rear fenders flare out well past the door line

the core being that external measurements of max width, compared to other vehicle’s point of max width, aren’t alone sufficient to tell us much of anything about the interior package

thanks for the clarification, made only really to avoid the oft made response of “the CT and F150 are identical 79.9” wide so the CT must have the same interior room”

Why that isn’t a good inference is shown by getting into the details further as you did

 

[RVAC]

F150 width without mirrors is 79.9” - avoiding as per custom the wide vehicle marker lights

Rivian without mirrors is 79”, for the same reasons

So you’re night that depending on how you want to measure things the Rivian is a touch smaller - but absent mirrors being the most relevant (which is why the regs measure it that way)

That 0.9” less width, though - if we’re double clicking - is accompanied by a disproportionate 7.1” narrower at shoulder room, and 8.4” narrower at the hip room

though again? The reason being in part that the arivian rear fenders flare out well past the door line

the core being that external measurements of max width, compared to other vehicle’s point of max width, aren’t alone sufficient to tell us much of anything about the interior package

thanks for the clarification, made only really to avoid the oft made response of “the CT and F150 are identical 79.9” wide so the CT must have the same interior room”

Why that isn’t a good inference is shown by getting into the details further as you did

Yes the point being made still stands, wasn't trying to suggest otherwise. Only to note that it's not to the extent of being wider than an F-150, would've been tragic packaging. Still poor nonetheless.

By the way where did you get the 79" width without mirrors? I've seen it quoted elsewhere but Rivian's website makes no mention of it that I could find.

 

[cvalue13]

By the way where did you get the 79" width without mirrors? I've seen it quoted elsewhere but Rivian's website makes no mention of it that I could find.

https://www.caranddriver.com/rivian/r1t/specs

And used to be on site

 

[RVAC]

https://www.caranddriver.com/rivian/r1t/specs

And used to be on site

Thanks. I did in fact remember it being there in the past, good to know I wasn't imagining things. Almost as if they are trying to avoid that comparison

 

[cvalue13]

Thanks. I did in fact remember it being there in the past, good to know I wasn't imagining things. Almost as if they are trying to avoid that comparison

the R1T is like anti-TARDIS

 

[CyberGus]

the R1T is like anti-TARDIS

Technically, everything is smaller on the inside

except my heart

 

[cvalue13]

Technically, everything is smaller on the inside

except my heart

TaHEARTdis?

 

[Crissa]

(and Crista, I am not trolling!) does this not make the Cybertruck unnecessarily heavy?

Yes, yes you are.

Your statements are declarative, based on no evidence, and misusing terms.

It's now a fairly conventional monocoque construction.

Do you even know what monocoque means?

And how would it be contrary to the word exoskeleton?

It was conceived to be an exoskeleton and as such had heavy gauge stainless steel body panels because they were intended to be structural. They are no longer required to be structural and are just external body cladding which...

Have you ever seen such a spare (frail, not beefy) body in white? One that was always carried and stored in jigs?

How do you know that they're no longer needed to be structural?

This is why it's trolling.

-Crissa

 

[PilotPete]

The exoskeleton concept is the classical jet aircraft design concept where the entire strength comes from the outer skin.

ENTIRE??? No, it doesn’t. Not even most of the strength. Not arguing exo v endo here, just a a bad statement. As you can see from the pics attached, there is a skeleton of ribs and stringers that form the fuselage. That is covered with skin which adds SOME strength, but not even most. The inner skin attached is the pressure vessel, and it‘s primary goal is to remain mostly airtight and minimize pressurization stresses on the airframe. Outer skin gets lost more often than you want to know on big jets, sometimes without the crew knowing it until landing. (See the pic in blue). Until it affects pressurization, the crew won’t know. But if you lose just a single stringer or a portion of the fuselage ring (also known as a frame), now you got a problem (see B&W photo, fuselage frame cracking caused by pressurization stresses) The reason no one expected the top to come off was that the outer skin appeared perfectly normal despite the inner frame cracks.

And as for the 747 gear statement someone else made, no. In fact, of the 18 wheels on a 747 (yep, them is 18 wheelers!) the nosegear attaches to the frames that surround the nose of the aircraft, the forward trucks (main landing gear assemblies, each carrying 4 wheels each) attach to the inner wing spar structure. The aft trucks (also carrying 4 wheels each) attach to the frames that are just aft of the spar and wing attach points. AND the aft truck are steered (10 wheel steering, put that on your CT!).

And while we’re on the subject, a modern aircraft isn’t a true Exo OR monocoque design. It’s technically a hybrid as the frames, stringers, longerons, etc. Carry the largest part of the load (known as a space frame or truss) and the attached skin carries only a portion of the load.

 

[WHIZZARD OF OZ]

Is there room for a spare wheel?

The Best Spare is NO SPARE_'Ford' YOU!
Then again, does CYBRTRK go all traditional, and surprise everybody here.
I don't know where you'd fit a full size 35".
What would Mad Max do(?)
Hell, he'd bolt that sucker straight to the body!

 

[PilotPete]

The Best Spare is NO SPARE_'Ford' YOU!
Then again, does CYBRTRK go all traditional, and surprise everybody here.
I don't know where you'd fit a full size 35".
What would Mad Max do(?)
Hell, he'd bolt that sucker straight to the body!

Like this! (Always need a spare!)

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