Out the Window: More Superchargers locations & V4 for overlanding with Cybertruck - Tesla's Biggest Fumble

[CyberGus]

I'm sure that Tesla can get the SuperCharger team back up and running again. No problem.

However, regardless of how this plays out, firing the entire team is just bad optics. Many pundits, analysts, and customers have expressed disappointment at what appears to be Tesla's abandonment of the high-speed charge network and NACS. Could the OEMs that signed up for NACS back out? Maybe, if no one is answering emails anymore.

Sure, there are contributions by other Tesla teams and outside contractors, but with the core team gone, nothing can get currently done.

I'm not trying to predict where this is going, but for right now, this is a setback for Supercharging, NACS, and the industry in general.

Sponsored

 

[Stuck4ger]

Agree with everything in the video. The only thing not discussed was Tesla taking $17 million in taxpayer funds and then flipping us off by eliminating its Supercharger team.

Elon is a classic example of how someone can be a genius while at the same time being an idiot and a miserable example of a human being.

My guess is he fired the supercharger team because they weren’t meeting his demanding deadlines. He fired so many of the Twitter team, not because he wanted to give up on it, but instead because he wanted to send a signal that he wanted the results he envisioned.

 

[CyberGus]

My guess is he fired the supercharger team because they weren’t meeting his demanding deadlines. He didn’t fire so many if the Twitter team because he wanted to give up on it, he wanted to send a signal that he wants results.

A lack of results is a good reason to replace the management team. But why discard all the trained workers, most of which had no ability to influence strategy?

 

[firsttruck]

Mr ctr-V strikes again!!

It is common that I research for couple hours before I post because I want to verify there is backup data to support my thoughts.

Just from reading many of your posts I need not spent any extra time on what you think.
You can go Cheney yourself.

 

[firsttruck]

A lack of results is a good reason to replace the management team. But why discard all the trained workers, most of which had no ability to influence strategy?

Exactly, THIS IS A HUGE PART of why I disagree with what is happening here.

I have worked in management & high level technical teams at several Fortune 500 companies and have read many Harvard Business Review studies and how this is being handled at Tesla is terrible.

 

[CyberTW]

Exactly, THIS IS A HUGE PART of why I disagree with what is happening here.

I have worked in management & high level technical teams at several Fortune 500 companies and have read many Harvard Business Review studies and how this is being handled at Tesla is terrible.

You could absolutely be right on this. And I applaud you for your high level knowledge how this works. And if Elon indeed made the wrong call on this (long term, not over the next couple months), then you will definitely be validated. (I personally think it is waaaay too early to declare anything)
. I would also hope that if in a year or two or whatever, if this move ends up paying dividends, I would hope you acknowledge that maybe only the people truly in the room made the right call and you would own it and admit you were wrong

 

[flyinglow]

Not necessarily, according to one of their vendor's statement. However, you have a point. They may have met the requirements of the grant. My point is more general. The Supercharger network still needs work (such as V4 dispensers without V4 cabinets) and several automakers are still in the process of making their vehicles fully compatible with Superchargers. They now have no one to work with. Participating in the grant program is more than just the nitty gritty of their specific grant but the aspirational aspect of making EVs fully competitive with ICE vehicles in terms of "fueling" convenience.

Laying off the "entire" Supercharger team, possibly out of pique because their manager resisted some layoffs (per rumor), has discouraged the customer base which is always dumb. Ironically, he is trying to get the board to give him his huge compensation plan and 25% of the company. Not good timing.

I respect Musk for his vision and drive but I think it has all gone to head in recent years.

 

[Crissa]

I stopped paying attention to Tailosive a couple years ago because he posted crap. Without watching this my bet is that he is still doing crap, and I guess you bought it?

What was wrong in the actual posted video?

Firsttruck's text wasn't in the video.

-Crissa

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

What was wrong in the actual posted video?

Firsttruck's text wasn't in the video.

-Crissa

I mentioned earlier that I stopped watching his videos years ago so I do not even know what he said. I was responding to the poster.

 

[Crissa]

Tesla took that money to build EV chargers. Did they build them or not? The answer is they satisfied the agreement with the grants. Why does firing many people of the team have anything to do with the $17 million?

FUD like you stated makes it appear Tesla stole $17 million from taxpayers, which is not true. They satisfied their grant agreement.

Umm... I don't want to 'actually' you, but yeah, if you take money from the government and fail to meet the terms - even later - you have to pay it back.

I was at the local Regional Transportation Board meeting this week and they had to choose to approve the paperwork their office had done or face the risk of the state and feds asking for their money back.

It's an actual risk, when you take money for a service that you then later fail to do. There's schedules and benchmarks you need to make, not to mention reliability minimums later, re the IRA charging funding.

-Crissa

 

[Crissa]

I mentioned earlier that I stopped watching his videos years ago so I do not even know what he said. I was responding to the poster.

I don't usually watch his videos, but this one, and the ones on Aptera, are as far as I know, good content. His thumbnails are a bit hyperbolic, and I find him a little drone-y, so I watch other videos.

But the content seems honest as far as I can tell, here.

-Crissa

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

So you haven't watch his videos in a couple years. Interesting.

I actually watched the video.

I did not "bought" anything.

I posted the link to the video because I thought he did a decent job of expressing what I was already thinking before watching the video. Since I don't make videos I post links to videos that can articulate what I am thinking.

Here is link to EV charging expert Kyle (Out of Spec channel) and how he has been contacted by several industry insiders at grid operators, OEMs, contractors are complaining that they can no longer reach anybody at Tesla for the new charging projects that they were involved in that were in-process or being planned.


----------------------------------------

Tesla Just Fired Their Entire Charging Team! Impacts, Future Supercharger Sites, & Industry Shakeup
May 1, 2024
Out of Spec Reviews

------




----------------------------------------

Tesla Pauses All Future Supercharger Construction, Says Continue If Already Underway
Episode 354: Francie & Kyle discuss an email sent by Tesla to ALL charging partners (for example: local grid operators, contractors, auto OEMs using NCAS, local governments where new projects were in progress, including entities waiting for PAYMENT!! for work already DONE, etc). They discuss the contents of the email, the potential opportunities for other EV charging providers, and the ripple effects of this major layoff the the wider electric vehicle charging industry.
May 2, 2024
Out of Spec Podcast

-----



----------------------------------------

There were some things you said that made sense to me, namely that Tesla said most people don’t need more range just more infrastructure and better charge curves, and killing the expansion of the network and having a crappy charge curve definitely ruin that assumption. It definitely makes one wonder what is going on over there.

what I take issue with is anything that sounds like FUD that doesn’t come backed up in fact, and I watched too many videos by Tailosive that I knew were not based on fact but going for clicks. I have bailed on many similar sites. So he could say something totally reasonable and I would never know because he burned his bridges with me.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I don't usually watch his videos, but this one, and the ones on Aptera, are as far as I know, good content. His thumbnails are a bit hyperbolic, and I find him a little drone-y, so I watch other videos.

But the content seems honest as far as I can tell, here.

-Crissa

Fine. Like I said to @firsttruck Tailosive spun too much fictional FUD for clicks so I stopped watching him. He might post good stuff 90% off the time but in the end he is not a content creator but a reposter so it is really a waste of my time. I am looking for sites that create content and then I can decide what to make of it.

 

[JBee]

It is common that I research for couple hours before I post because I want to verify there is backup data to support my thoughts.

Just from reading many of your posts I need not spent any extra time on what you think.
You can go Cheney yourself.

It's also common that you post lots of copy pasted stuff without much of any comment or discussion from yourself. The point of the forum is to share and discuss, not just get hit with reposts from other sites, you could start a blog if you like to do that. All very negative nelly to be frank.

There's some more already existing "discussion" on this thread of this topic, if you're interested:

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...says-supercharger-growth-will-continue.16368/

Sponsored