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So, after another page of multi paragraph debate, do we know the answer to the above question?
the other case. The driver did have amble time to pull over as individual subsystem worked with redundancy as intended
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1. Tesla is not leading the way. If it is, it wouldn’t be target of DMV and NHTSA.

2. Amount of data doesn’t equate to quality of data. This is where you fall into trap. Just because you have piles of garbage data it serves no purpose.

Garbage in garbage out. That is what you fail the understand.

3. L3 and above the design concept and discrepancy faced is vastly more complicated.

While every single L3 system is dealing with conflicting information and trailing their algorithm to deal with that. Tesla approach is- I can’t handle conflict. Let just toss it.

This is what bad behavior and echo chamber are formed.

It’s similar to Boeing. Same trap.
  1. That's not how that works. DMVs and NHTSA are not leaders, they're to hem in mistakes that got the population upset.
  2. That's true, but kindof more a description of this thread than Tesla's data.
  3. That's... Not. They're regulatory levels which don't have a set path yet.
...It's not at all like Boeing. Boeing got the FAA's permission - in fact, their regulations created the perverse incentives to create aircraft that could cross-fly and cross-train more cheaply.

The only similarity to Boeing is moving across the country to avoid unions. But Tesla, unlike Boeing, has done its utmost to keep its management, engineers, and factories co-located and in constant communication.

Obviously Tesla missed something here. But there's just no information to know what. What we do know is the trucks seem to fail very conservatively, not letting drivers ignore failures in the redundant systems.

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Governing bodies are usually the last to catch up to new technology so that argument doesn't hold water.
It does. The point here is they are finally catching up like they did in Boeing.

That is why I don’t buy people comment that it’s politically motivated that Tesla is under microscope.

If you look at history (this is also Tesla legal argument), DMV and NHTSA has been very hands off for long time.

1. because they really don’t know the technology behind it.

2. generally government is very pro business. In case of Boeing took 2 accidents on the max program. Remember when first crash occurred, NTSB was pushing hard for other agency to ungrounds.

3. Tesla is also same. If you look back at 2021 before it turn into full blown EP program. NHTSA and DMV were far behind. At that time the investigation started- there was 13 injury accident.

Government simply are now backed into corner and now are forced to react.

You are just seeing something they should have done 5 years ago.

Cruise screwed up last year has pretty much turn on the heat with every AV company. There are a lot of more audit and compliance requirement.

That is why you are seeing a lot more of hands on. Previously certification are majority self certified. Now the push is totally switching to every detail is now exposed to agencies.

Verify different approach from 3-4 years ago.
 

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the other case. The driver did have amble time to pull over as individual subsystem worked with redundancy as intended
Thanks. Reading between the lines that's what I suspected.
 


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3. Tesla is also same. If you look back at 2021 before it turn into full blown EP program. NHTSA and DMV were far behind. At that time the investigation started- there was 13 injury accident.
...And I didn't want to comment on a troll post, but if you read the report, you'd find half of them didn't even have autopilot active. And most of them were drunk.

Heck, one of the most recent lawsuits against Tesla and autopilot, the driver admitted to overriding the speed control with the pedal while looking away from the road.

At no point did they discover more autopilot related accidents than cruise control ones.

There's only so much you can do to fix stupid.

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Had my share of errors last night. 2200 mikes...traction, stability, braking, steering codes come up and braking reduced to 50%, steering stiffer, throttle not responsive. Stopped and put in park. Put in drive and codes went away and truck went to normal. Charging now and will take to tesla asap.
 

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You guys have 3 months to figure this out, before mine is delivered :D
 

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You guys have 3 months to figure this out, before mine is delivered :D
If you’re getting one this year, you’re already playing the PCS Russian roulette my man. 😂😂
 


 




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