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I had one reserved and didn't execute when my time came up. I was fortunate to take one for a test drive, and there were some issues at the time. I drove one again, and it has improved, but I still have some concerns about pulling the trigger on one. With the sales tanking, it does make me a bit concerned about the future of the truck.

I think Elon needs to keep Tesla at arm's length a bit more to not depress the sales. I was in Germany not long ago and he really alienated a lot of people there that loved Tesla previously. The only other option I am seriously considering would be the new quad motor Rivian R1T whenever it finally launches.

There is very slim chance Rivian will go bankrupt. Their sales are holding pretty stead, they've reduced their cost per truck and VW would likely pick them up anyway. Factor in that Amazon no longer has the exclusive deal on their vans and they will likely move a fair amout of them.

The interiors on the new Rivians are better than the previous gen on the upper level models and I personally thought those interiors were better than those on my S, which was clearly nice than the one in the CT. If I am spending 100k+ on a vehicle, I definitely would like a nice interior than what currently comes in the CT.

I also think they made a mistake with the CB vs AWD model just like the did with the S and Plaid. Almost nothing, other than an extra motor, to really differentiates the two models. With the S, they started a bit too late. Just slap a spoiler on a Model S long range and it looks like a Plaid, at least until they finally put different seats in a Plaid. They should have given the CB a nicer interior and more things to distinguish it from the AWD model.
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Why would anyone care what anyone else would think of what they buy? I can take or leave the looks of the vehicle, but I absolutely love my Cybertruck! Best vehicle I have ever owned, and it's not even close. I have the AWD model. This thing excels in every way, and it makes my wife happy when she drives it up our long, steep driveway in the snowy & icy months here in North Idaho. Add self-driving, and mind is blown. Then we added a solar power system to our house. After paying for all this stuff, we now charge the Cybertruck every day "for free", and in a few months after the software update, if we ever have a grid failure, the power will go the other way -- the Cybertruck will power our house during a lengthy power outage. I have owned ugly vehicles where I loved it so much that I started to like the looks, too. I'm getting to love the looks of this thing. All said, our Cybertruck is the perfect vehicle for us!

Oh, and about those hit pieces. My opinion is that the legacy car companies pay for those garbage articles out of desperation. Imagine being willing to spend money to ridicule the products of a company that innovates instead of spending money to innovate their own products. WTF?
 

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If I am spending 100k+ on a vehicle, I definitely would like a nice interior than what currently comes in the CT.
So, nicer interior is important to you, but it cannot drive itself anywhere by itself?

To each their own, but I consider my priorities a bit more pragmatic...
 

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So, nicer interior is important to you, but it cannot drive itself anywhere by itself?

To each their own, but I consider my priorities a bit more pragmatic...
I have 3 other Teslas, 2 with FSD. I already get enough self driving when I want it. Not to mention FSD disengages when towing, which I do a lot. So FSD, while some benefit, is a lot more limited benefit in how I would use a truck.

FSD is still a work in progress. If you saw how many curbs FSD drove into with my 3, you'd see why I am not a big fan of it. On the highway it is fine. In my neighborhood, it isn't worth the hassle. I still enjoy mostly driving my cars and my wife will literally ask me to stop the car whenever I engage FSD. There have been too many uncomfortable moments with it. I don't even bother as a result when she is in the car.

A nicer interior, I can use EVERY DAY. Honestly I wish my S had a nicer interior. I am not a Tesla lover at all costs, nor do I hate the brand either. I look at it pretty objectively and have spent about $400k on Teslas over the last 4-5 years. If we all ignore the faults, they will never get better.
 

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FSD is still a work in progress.
A nicer interior, I can use EVERY DAY.
OK, fair points. To each their own of course, everybody is different.

As a strictly pickup truck driver/owner for decades, the interior of the Cybertruck is prettty nice to me. And it's simpler design makes for easy maintenance and cleaning/wiping down without too many "fancy" crooks and crevaces to trap dirt and dust.

I think the level of advancement of FSD now if pretty amazing in the CT. I can understand why they wouldn't want it active for towing...too many variables with momentum and inertia and they have way less data on people towing vehicles (or none, I guess?).

FSD definitely has room for improvement, but's pretty good now. Never once hit a curb. And I have been getting so many frequent OTA updates....sometimes 2 per week.
 


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If I was spending $40k on a work truck, I wouldn't mind the budget interior. At $100k, my expectations are higher. I think Rivian strikes a nice balance but not really a fan of their cloth backed seats on the Ascend interior (or whatever they call it). The low rent interior was/is something I hateabout my 3 and Y. Even more so when they cost north of $50k. I still think the lack of front screen is a big miss as well. I should have my gauges in my normal line of sight and not off to the side.

I can always put down a seat cover (and have for my S) when I am boating or hiking but I can't easily upscale a cheap interior.

As for FSD, I have a nicely crushed rocker panel and number chunks out of my wheels from hitting curbs here and turning too tight. I can't tell you how many times it also manages to hit a massive pot hole dead center. I wished it used cooperative steering so it didn't disengage when I tired to avoid a pothole. On more open roads it does pretty well. I agree it has gotten better but still not ready for prime time in my area.

I love the DBW of the CT. It wasn't as laggy the last time I drove it as the first time I did. I still don't understand why they couldn't come up with a better rear-view option when the tonneau cover is up. A lot of things I can overlook at a lower price point, but at $100k, I expect more.

I definitely like the performance of the CB. It isn't as quick as my S is but plenty fast for daily driving. Not sure the new Rivian will beat it, other than in the 1/4 mile but it will probably cost at least $25k more than the CB.

If Tesla made a more mainstream-looking truck with the performance of the CB, adding a nice interior while at it, I'd sell my S in a heartbeat. They probably sell 5 times more of them than the current incarnation of CT.

While I don't think some of the bad press is warranted about the CT (remove Elon from the equation), and some is absolutely hyperbole, there is still some basis to the complaints. I hope Tesla will address them in the next version of the truck, assuming there is one.

I probably would have been the ideal demographic to buy a CT. I've been a multiple Tesla owner. I love trucks. I was/am in the market for a pickup. I like the original premise of the truck and was an early reservation holder. I should have been a slam dunk for a conversion from reservation to a sale but somehow how they turned an almost guaranteed sale into someone still on the fence and saying all the options in the market.

I had pretty much made up my mind to buy one when I placed the order. I wasn't in love with the looks TBH but the overall premise of the truck and the anticipated range and performance were right in line with what I was looking for. I thought I could deal with the looks to get the rest of the package. I am sure I am not the only one with that perspective.

I do appreciate that they keep refining the platform through SW but Rivian also does that. I drove a friend's Rivian since the last updated rolled out and what a huge difference they made in the suspension. I wouldn't have taken an R1S if you gave it to me (well I would but I'd sell it) but after the last update, it totally transformed the suspension compliance. It was night and day difference. Before I wouldn't have considered it but I might consider their SUV. So basically it is CB, R1T and R1S as the current finalists for my next vehicle. I'd almost put the Lucid Gravity in their but I am not sure about their financial future but I think they got a lot of things right about it.

At the rate the sales are going, a CT might be so attractive to buy one as the prices fall that I can't resist picking one up. I don't really care what the average person thinks about what I drive. So that aspect of the negative press doesn't matter, and in fact, it could help me if I want to buy one, and it depresses prices further. At the same time, I feel for those who bought at or near the peak and are getting hammered. That happened to me with my S. I didn't but it at the top but close enough that keep thinking I'll never sell so I dont' have to realize the loss and hope maybe values might finally bottom a bit and bounce back up.
 

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Big difference is that Steve created Apple from day 1. Not true for Elon and Tesla.
Is it really that big of a difference? Woz built a functional prototype on his own, and showed it to Jobs, who suggested they should create a company to sell them.

Musk arrived as an investor after Tesla was already incorporated, but at that point they had nothing but bills, big dreams, and a bunch of renders.
 

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I still think the lack of front screen is a big miss as well. I should have my gauges in my normal line of sight and not off to the side.
Agreed.

I love the DBW of the CT.
What is DBW?


I wasn't in love with the looks TBH but the overall premise of the truck and the anticipated range and performance were right in line with what I was looking for. I thought I could deal with the looks to get the rest of the package. I am sure I am not the only one with that perspective.
I am in the same boat. I hated the CT's looke at its reveal in 2019.

But is has been growing on me, the looks are [one of] what differntiates it from the typical pickup trucks design. All radical changes are naturally resisted by humans at first.. it's hardwired into our psychology...but paradign shifts historically take time. Sometimes a lot of time.

I can't even count how much positive reactions I got everytime I am out in my CT. Especially from younger people, any minor age, who never owned their own vehicles yet, so don't have the bias toward the traditional designs. They absolutely go nuts (with excitement) over my CT.

I beleive the published negativity concerning CTs is overhyped with hit-piece campaigns being pressed from it's established competitors. I am sure it makes a lot of differnce when you live, but here in CA I get nothing but positive reactions.
 
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Who buys a screen protector for their fixed-in-place smart screen in a Tesla? What is it protecting from?...in case you drop it? ?

It's a useless product. Piggy-backing on the smart-phone screen craze of low-IQ people thinking that everything made of glass must have some sort of after-market covering on it... ?
I agree the screen is stationary not much to protect, but I bought a spigen anti glare matte finish and I’m installing a screen swivel these two things combined make a huge difference. But yes I agree it’s kinda pointless it’s a screen made of glass.
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