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there is no “second” line

there’s the GFTX line

its line capacity for 2024 is 125K units / yr

It can be optimized/expanded, apparently, to 250k / yr - which according to Q3 call Musk predicts will be realized sometime in 2025 (adjust how you see fit Musk’s timing predictions)


beyond that 250k, if/when needed, likely requires the install of additional gigapresses for the castings (most optimistic estimates puts the existing presses max annual capacity at ~250K/yr)
Let's call it second shift then.
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I received a sales call from a State Farm agent about quoting my vehicles/ house. I gave him the Cyberbeast VIN I have saved which worked the last time I checked with another insurance company before Tesla shut the VIN recall search down. Now it doesn't even work for insurance companies. He said once delivered and the truck is registered, they would have an accurate quote. But right now with the VIN recall shut down, you can't even get an accurate quote.
 

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I received a sales call from a State Farm agent about quoting my vehicles/ house. I gave him the Cyberbeast VIN I have saved which worked the last time I checked with another insurance company before Tesla shut the VIN recall search down. Now it doesn't even work for insurance companies. He said once delivered and the truck is registered, they would have an accurate quote. But right now with the VIN recall shut down, you can't even get an accurate quote.
I, for one, would like to thank Tesla. I don't know how I would be kept safe from information if it wasn't for their approach to concealing all information related to cybertruck.
 
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end of the day, for over a year I’ve listened hard and interested for the substance behind quips about how Tesla’s model is superior to the dealership model, in terms of customer-facing experience. And what I’ve heard has lacked substance.
Nuanced variable, not the entire end-to-end transaction.

Buying a Tesla online versus buying any car (insert brand here) in a dealership is at least for me unequivocally better. Took me less than 10 minutes to purchase a Tesla, last time I was at a dealership it was like a 4-6 hour event that sucked all the joy and energy out of me.
 


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Nuanced variable, not the entire end-to-end transaction.

Buying a Tesla online versus buying any car (insert brand here) in a dealership is at least for me unequivocally better. Took me less than 10 minutes to purchase a Tesla, last time I was at a dealership it was like a 4-6 hour event that sucked all the joy and energy out of me.
and I suppose the difference in our experiences/opinions, is that when you say that, my first impression is that you don’t know how to buy from a dealership ??‍♂. Just like choosing a doctor or a lawyer, there are a dozen prudent steps towards getting the desired outcome and experience.

not to mention, perhaps a better price and depreciation prospect than with Tesla’s method of “everyone pays the same price, and we broadcast across-the-board price cuts that deflate the secondary market (AKA, “if anyone’s getting screwed, at least everyone’s gets equally screwed the same”).


no doubt, dealerships can be a mine field if choose the wrong car, choose the wrong dealership, choose the wrong salesperson, choose the wrong method of offer/acceptance, choose the wrong the method of financing, etc.

Just saying all those things have their parallels in any number of transactions we (hopefully) navigate well (again, see doctors, lawyers, real estate, private schools, you name it). Seems to me, difference is, for some reason folks either or both (a) feel vehicle purchases should be different for some reason, and/or (b) have been convinced dealerships are not subject to being dealt with.

pick a unique car lots of people want, puts you in the same leverage position as picking a unique house lots of people want. wait for the dealer to tell you what financing they’re offering, puts you in the same position as asking the house seller’s RE agent what financing they’re offering. Pick a car known to depreciate rapidly, puts you in same position as buying a house where you know a feed lot is being built. On and on go the parallels.

Just one guy’s (rather unnervous) view of buying a car.
 

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and I suppose the difference in our experiences/opinions, is that when you say that, my first impression is that you don’t know how to buy from a dealership ??‍♂. Just like choosing a doctor or a lawyer, there are a dozen prudent steps towards getting the desired outcome and experience.

not to mention, perhaps a better price and depreciation prospect than with Tesla’s method of “everyone pays the same price, and we broadcast across-the-board price cuts that deflate the secondary market (AKA, “if anyone’s getting screwed, at least everyone’s gets equally screwed the same”).


no doubt, dealerships can be a mine field if choose the wrong car, choose the wrong dealership, choose the wrong salesperson, choose the wrong method of offer/acceptance, choose the wrong the method of financing, etc.

Just saying all those things have their parallels in any number of transactions we (hopefully) navigate well (again, see doctors, lawyers, real estate, private schools, you name it). Seems to me, difference is, for some reason folks either or both (a) feel vehicle purchases should be different for some reason, and/or (b) have been convinced dealerships are not subject to being dealt with.

pick a unique car lots of people want, puts you in the same leverage position as picking a unique house lots of people want. wait for the dealer to tell you what financing they’re offering, puts you in the same position as asking the house seller’s RE agent what financing they’re offering. Pick a car known to depreciate rapidly, puts you in same position as buying a house where you know a feed lot is being built. On and on go the parallels.

Just one guy’s (rather unnervous) view of buying a car.
None of those things should be challenging or require superior skills. Tesla has shown it doesn't have to be for vehicles.

Perhaps you enjoy gamesmanship in shopping for goods and services. Let me give you a clue: That is not normal.
 
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Perhaps you enjoy gamesmanship in shopping for goods and services. Let me give you a clue: That is not normal.
“enjoying it” and “not moaning about basic life skills” are two different things

The point of this convo was whether Tesla has, in fact, “shown” anything.

personally, I don’t know that they have - based on the collection of reports shared around here the past 18 months about buying/servicing/info-searching from Tesla.

I see as many people sharing positive or negative ranges of experiences as I’d expect to see about ‘other’ dealerships


Maybe I’m just the one guy out there not so niece as to think purchases/sales aren’t rife with ‘gamesmanship.’

Tesla’s real brilliance here, if any, is convincing folks like you their method isn’t also rife with gamesmanship. That “take it out leave it” isn’t itself a strategy that can f*ck you.
 


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“enjoying it” and “not moaning about basic life skills” are two different things

The point of this convo was whether Tesla has, in fact, “shown” anything.

personally, I don’t know that they have - based on the collection of reports shared around here the past 18 months about buying/servicing/info-searching from Tesla.

I see as many people sharing positive or negative ranges of experiences as I’d expect to see about ‘other’ dealerships


Maybe I’m just the one guy out there not so niece as to think purchases/sales aren’t rife with ‘gamesmanship.’

Tesla’s real brilliance here, if any, is convincing folks like you their method isn’t also rife with gamesmanship. That “take it out leave it” isn’t itself a strategy that can f*ck you.
Yep, you are that "one guy" :LOL:
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