Towing tested with 6,000lb Tesla and trailer load

[Sousray]

I was looking at those.

And waiting for Lance and makers of molded fiberglass truck campers to come up with one.

Problem with them currently is they cost over $100K . Hopefully they will get a lot cheaper as battery technology improves.
I really hope they make a dual axle with a single axle drive and battery pack on a 18 foot flatbed trailer for regular workers. This would stop the need for a larger battery pack on the CT

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[Gigahorse]

With a handful of varying range reports starting to come in on the Cybertruck, some ok, some bad. The Chevy people are starting to get their hype train going.
I wonder how much the Silverado EV will fall short of its 450mile range.

 

[DelPhonic1]

Whoosing out lol, I like it.
Charging at a supercharger to 100% with the CT takes FOREVER, like almost 2 hours on a V3 and longer than that on a V2. After 80% the charging curve slows down so much.
So figure starting at 80 and using 75% takes you to 5% which is cutting it CLOSE with a trailer, wouldn't want to shoot for 3% when hauling something. Suck to run out of range, and REALLY suck with a trailer

You charge at home while you sleep at night-- wake up its 100% for your trip. You charge at an RV park wake up and it's 100% to head back or to next destination. Charge while you have a meal and a drink, come back out your 100%. Charge while you nap or an encounter with the better half, wake up you're at 100%. It's easy.

 

[Gigahorse]

Home charging - yup
Destination charging - maybe with a long enough stay
RV parks - most don't allow EV charging anymore as constant 48amp draw is tough on their systems
While getting a meal and a drink - only if its a 3 hour meal
Nap - good luck taking a 3 hour nap in a CT at a SC for the next 6 months without people peering in the windows

 

[Woodrick]

We'll let you have that one. Chevy shipped more in 6 months than Tesla did in 1.

 

[mhaze]

Exactly

Because your 2500 Avalanche has a 32 gal gas tank.

If your Avalanche had a 13 gal tank, you’d only get 78mi.

Which is to take the mystique away from BEV truck range being something magical and deficient about having an electric drivetrain.

That, to me, is the difference between:

“electric trucks can’t tow” and

“electric trucks have a small gas tank, for now”
...

Okay but look, we can't be discussing patently ridiculous things. I believe discussing towing with 78 miles of towing range is in that category. Just conclude "this is a truck we don't tow with" and move on. As more data is gathered this will happen regardless. Maybe the evidence will come out somewhere in between.

A side notes, no it isn't just the gas tank size - its the length of time to recharge, the vehicle weight empty vs gassed up (ICE only, but "larger tank" for electric means carrying way more dead weight all the time). A number of factors play parts - a set of linear equations can be set up for this and solved for optimum range, but that would get in the way of chewing tobacco.

 

[BahamaTodd]

With a handful of varying range reports starting to come in on the Cybertruck, some ok, some bad. The Chevy people are starting to get their hype train going.
I wonder how much the Silverado EV will fall short of its 450mile range.

People are getting about 2.1-2.2 mi/kWh in mixed, mostly highway driving. That should be good for about 450-465 miles.

All city it should be able to go over 500 miles.

 

[Gigahorse]

People are getting about 2.1-2.2 mi/kWh in mixed, mostly highway driving. That should be good for about 450-465 miles.

All city it should be able to go over 500 miles.

510 quoted and 500 city realistic seems like a ton comparatively.
Looks like pricing on them is similar to the CT.....wish they came in stainless steel. Although I guess they do get access to the Tesla charging network next year.

 

[cvalue13]

A side notes, no it isn't just the gas tank size - its the length of time to recharge, the vehicle weight empty vs gassed up (ICE only, but "larger tank" for electric means carrying way more dead weight all the time).

I mean, I don’t intend to suggest this isn’t multi-factorial

but that in broad strokes, the overwhelming difference in BEV competitiveness is gas tank

because with respect to the other factors, there are so many they begin to cut each way and net out

• vehicle weight, low, also derives many benefits to BEVs•​

• only BEVs can refill their tanks when going down hill, or braking​

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• length of time to recharge I see as merely part of the same gas tank delta, subject to technological improvement​

• BEV’s power, serenity, operating costs, etc.​

• for every one “long refill”, the large number of “no need to refill” (charge at home)​

All of the above things and many more are why people like me *already* on an all-things-considered basis are going BEV truck - from there, as you erode the range delta further, the equities are stacked heavily in the favor of a BEV truck.



all all-in-all, when I talk about a 13 gal tank advancing to a 26 gal tank, I’m not talking about the Hummer approach. I’m talking about advances in energy density per/mass&volume, with corresponding increases range efficiencies in design, materials, etc. - all courting while also solving for the (infrequent) need to refill a “long time.”

 

[Woodrick]

I mean, I don’t intend to suggest this isn’t multi-factorial

but that in broad strokes, the overwhelming difference in BEV competitiveness is gas tank

because with respect to the other factors, there are so many they begin to cut each way and net out

​

• vehicle weight, low, also derives many benefits to BEVs•​

​

• only BEVs can refill their tanks when going down hill, or braking​

​

• length of time to recharge I see as merely part of the same gas tank delta, subject to technological improvement​

​

• BEV’s power, serenity, operating costs, etc.​

​

• for every one “long refill”, the large number of “no need to refill” (charge at home)​

All of the above things and many more are why people like me *already* on an all-things-considered basis are going BEV truck - from there, as you erode the range delta further, the equities are stacked heavily in the favor of a BEV truck.

We aren't talking about an EV in this forum, we are talking about a Tesla. The fact that a Tesla is a BEV is only a small part of it's pedigree.

 

[Crissa]

Silverado is being delivered to fleets.

California department of transportation bought 600.

Minnesota power company

Detroit power company

With a 6500 lbs trailer it can go over 230 miles

Only four hundred have been delivered.

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2024/01/20240104-gm.html

Why do people keep saying a trailer by weight? That's gibberish. The weight doesn't matter. It's the frontal area.

-Crissa

 

[Cyber Man]

I think RV trailers will start adding large battery packs and motors. It's not a wishful thinking. This company is already doing it - https://pebblelife.com/. A local trailer rental company in CA is considering to pre-order these trailers. I spoke with the owner a few days ago. Imagine not losing any range at all while towing these futuristic trailers AND charging your truck from these battery packs or vice versa.

This will be the future of RV towing IMO. It'll take few years for RV industry to catch up with the EV revolution, but it's happening.

 

[Crissa]

The 4WT (Chevy just changed the model name from WT4) has been available since May 2023.

Only 18 were delivered in the first three quarters of 2023.

-Crissa

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