Towing tested with 6,000lb Tesla and trailer load

[mhaze]

ok, so you’re your just describing the same thing in dthe rent terms and posturing like you’ve made a substantive distinctions

basically, everything you’ve just said *is* what is captured by “Cd”

so you have some familiarity with aero and some flight hours, but less so with policing your semantics?

well, my intent was 100% the opposite

I’m describing and stressing how ICE and BEV are identical in these respects

Okay. Sorry, I didn't get that from your narrative.

Comment.

My gas powered 8.1 liter 2003 3/4 ton Avalanche goes from 11mpg down to 6mpg pulling a trailer with a full size car, and that is truly awful, say compared to a diesel truck. But that 6mpg is STILL 6x32 = 192 miles on the road.

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[cvalue13]

My gas powered 8.1 liter 2003 3/4 ton Avalanche goes from 11mpg down to 6mpg pulling a trailer with a full size car, and that is truly awful, say compared to a diesel truck. But that 6mpg is STILL 6x32 = 192 miles on the road.

Exactly

Because your 2500 Avalanche has a 32 gal gas tank.

If your Avalanche had a 13 gal tank, you’d only get 78mi.


Which is to take the mystique away from BEV truck range being something magical and deficient about having an electric drivetrain.

That, to me, is the difference between:

“electric trucks can’t tow” and

“electric trucks have a small gas tank, for now”


Which, when it comes to BEV truck FUD, is an important distinction.

Because unlike you, few say “BEV trucks can’t tow because range is cut in half when they tow,” and then also follows it up with “just like my 2500 Avalanche’s range is cut in half when it tows.”

That BEV’s merely need larger fuel tanks to have the range of ICE trucks puts intro perspective that this is a temporary situation. When *that’s* solved, and BEV’s have even just a 26 gal “fuel tank,” there won’t be an ICE 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton that can remotely compete with the torque, HP, and stability of a BEV truck towing.

If on the other hand, OEMs can’t fix the tank size issue, we’ll know that it was a hair’s breadth issue that saved ICE truck towing (for large hauling long distance).

I can’t tell if the Tesla Semi means we’re close, or just how far we might be (seeing how it’s been a year since it’s “delivery event” and Tesla isn’t exactly crowing about progress).

 

[cvalue13]

Do we expect an improvement in towing range by raising the CT to match the F150 Lightning? Curious.....

who knows!

would depend in part on whether the aero benefits our back at the trailer offset the aero costs up front from raising the lead vehicle


Put differently, one reason the Lightning’s Cd is so much higher than the CT’s Cd, could be that the Lightning is so much taller

 

[sigintel]

Exactly

Because your 2500 Avalanche has a 32 gal gas tank.

If your Avalanche had a 13 gal tank, you’d only get 78mi.

So one time $50 more steel for tank size increase and 19 gallon more gas say $100 every stop..... $1500 gets me 100 gallon more in bed tank... EV battery tech will hopefully get there one day. Carbon chain based fuel density hard to beat though...

 

[cvalue13]

So one time $50 more steel for tank size increase and 19 gallon more gas say $100 every stop..... $1500 gets me 100 gallon more in bed tank... EV battery tech will hopefully get there one day. Carbon chain based fuel density hard to beat though...

yeah there’s some things that won’t be replaced anytime soon. Extreme edge cases, statistically (at least ignoring commercial).

Because we prob both know that there aren’t a lot of trucks for which ?is true AND the retain on-paper payload/towing chops. (A 36 gal truck with a 19 gallon aux and 100 transfer tank takes 1,050lb off the top of the payload.

Not a lot of trucks do that AND can throw a dual axl 39’ RV out back.

Nor, statistically, do many people need to.

 

[DelPhonic1]

But a real world use of 75% of the battery pack gives the CT towing a modest load about 68-113
CT AWD Towing real world range with good conditions is about 90-150 miles.
In line with real world CT range of about 210 miles.

real world use of 75% of pack, bruh. Bruh? Are ya high? Start out with 100% what's wrong witcha! Plan on 3-10% when you hit the next charger. Stop whoosing out.

 

[Art O'Connor]

At least Tesla is producing the Cybertruck, unlike the Silverado.

The 4WT (Chevy just changed the model name from WT4) has been available since May 2023. I actually saw a white one here in Reno right after Christmas. It was going north and I was going south; so no pictures. My dealer will have two in mid-February. He actually has the charging stations already set up. I just saw my first CT in the wild last week at Home Depot. My Tesla Service Center just got their floor display Foundation last week. So, actually, Chevy beat Tesla by 6 months. However, just like Tesla, they cannot produce them fast enough. My dealer has had 20 on order since last May and is just getting his first two. The RST is supposed to come out this summer. My Quad CT is supposed to be delivered to me in February 2025. Hopefully, by then Tesla will solve the range problem.

 

[Jon Snow]

That's terrible.

Fanboys ready with excuses in 5, 4, 3, 2...

Don't need an excuse - if you are seriously towing, you most likely are not considering an EV today.
If you think/thought this vehicle was going to be some game changer in EV towing before today - you might be a bit delusional.

The beloved Rivian tows about the same, but because it's an ? and or by Elon, people have to spew FUD.

Bottom line, it's a lifestyle truck with some utility - just like every other EV "truck"

More accurately, almost all trucks are lifestyle trucks of course. 75% of truck buyers never, ever tow. Only 35% use the box, and few ever go off road. Of the 25% who do tow, 1/2 tow less than 100 miles. The CT is perfect For 85% of truck buyers. I agree that for people who tow long distances EV trucks are not a good choice.

 

[Bsimmer3000]

13 gallons at my local gas station right now is $3.99 = $51.87

123kWh at my local fast charger right now is $.50 kWh = $61.50

That’s crazy.

who here said 100 miles is long haul towing?

point it out pls

The ones who say it's not for long haul towing. MY situation is far from long haul towing and it don't even have the range for me and i work an extremally small area. So am i long haul towing when doing less than 60miles in a day with a small trailer on flat roads! it's a truck. It seems people are forgetting this. What happens when someone tows a 10k lb trailer up a small grade with a head wind in the winter? that would likely net a 30mile range base on the current tests. My estimates were low when i said to myself i would be happy with 150 towing then i dropped it to 100miles when i heard it had only 320miles of range then i dropped it again when i heard it had only 180miles of range. i could get by with 70-80Miles if i really push the limits of the battery but i don't even think it will be able to make that.

 

[Bsimmer3000]

So, when is Tesla going to get around to doing its 2024 EPA mileage tests? No Tesla vehicles listed for 2024. CT is 2024 model. Others have done it. Here is Chevy's:

I believe the top one is the WT1 and the bottom one is the WT4, although it is hard to tell from the EPA description.

I'm gonna bet the 393 range is the RST as it weight 9900lbs. They all have he same battery as far as i know but still for something that heavy to get 393miles is doing good in my eyes but most importantly it's a usable millage for a vast amount of people who use trucks. No not long haul towing but just general truck use locally.

 

[cvalue13]

The ones who say it's not for long haul towing. MY situation is far from long haul towing and it don't even have the range for me and i work an extremally small area. So am i long haul towing when doing less than 60miles in a day with a small trailer on flat roads!

Do you do 60mi a day at like 65-70mph?

Because if you’re doing 60-80 mi per day in more around-town driving, and you’re charging every night at home, you should be fine?

I don’t want to speak for others, but I think a key aspect of “long haul” being summarized is about sustained highway speeds for X miles


or I guess let me put it this way: your use case would be covered by a Lightning ER, and if the CT doesn’t cover it I’d be shocked

 

[Gigahorse]

real world use of 75% of pack, bruh. Bruh? Are ya high? Start out with 100% what's wrong witcha! Plan on 3-10% when you hit the next charger. Stop whoosing out.

Whoosing out lol, I like it.
Charging at a supercharger to 100% with the CT takes FOREVER, like almost 2 hours on a V3 and longer than that on a V2. After 80% the charging curve slows down so much.
So figure starting at 80 and using 75% takes you to 5% which is cutting it CLOSE with a trailer, wouldn't want to shoot for 3% when hauling something. Suck to run out of range, and REALLY suck with a trailer

 

[scottf200]

So, when is Tesla going to get around to doing its 2024 EPA mileage tests? No Tesla vehicles listed for 2024. CT is 2024 model. Others have done it. Here is Chevy's:

I believe the top one is the WT1 and the bottom one is the WT4, although it is hard to tell from the EPA description.

I'm gonna bet the 393 range is the RST as it weight 9900lbs. They all have he same battery as far as i know but still for something that heavy to get 393miles is doing good in my eyes but most importantly it's a usable millage for a vast amount of people who use trucks. No not long haul towing but just general truck use locally.

393 matches the 3WT/WT3.

GMauthority article [link]

 

[Art O'Connor]

I'm gonna bet the 393 range is the RST as it weight 9900lbs. They all have he same battery as far as i know but still for something that heavy to get 393miles is doing good in my eyes but most importantly it's a usable millage for a vast amount of people who use trucks. No not long haul towing but just general truck use locally.

The RST is not out yet and could not be tested. The 450 mile range is the 4WT and the lower range is the 3WT. The 4WT has a slightly bigger battery. Click on the specs tab.

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

I guess the only way to go with a camper is to get the ones they are now starting to launch with the battery packs and powered axles. This way no impact on the CT performance. and you get a way to charge up your CT when it gets low.

I was looking at those.

And waiting for Lance and makers of molded fiberglass truck campers to come up with one.

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