Transfer fsd and premium connectivity from my 3 to ct?

[Rutrow]

I use FSD beta often during city driving, but not when I want to relax and never when anyone else is in the car. It takes hyper attention whenever there are other vehicles or pedestrians within a hundred feet or so. I don't view its actions as dangerous, but rather inconsiderate of others around. FSD beta drives like an asshole. It will slow down in areas where humans (except jerks) would maintain a higher speed, Yields, roundabouts, and even stop signs. Previous versions would drive more human like, but Tesla haters complained because it wouldn't come to a complete stop at stop signs (like all humans do). It isn't very good at deciding when to change lanes ahead of an upcoming turn. I know from daily commuting experience when is too early or too late to move into a new lane preparing for a merge or turn, often dependant on time of day or special events that will make traffic density/direction differ from the ordinary.

Despite driving the same route, the same time of the day, and intervening EVERY time, FSD beta doesn't learn. That is understandable, but is also a problem. I've considered getting my car registered out of state so I'll have an out of state license plate to warn people that my car will react like someone who has never driven this road before. I hate being that jerk who passes the line of cars who have moved into the correct lane early to avoid having to cut in at the last second in traffic. I just can't be that person. FSD override is the only way to maintain my sanity.

I chose the FSD option when reserving on the chance that RoboTaxi ability would be achieved when my CyberTruck arrives. My fantasy is driving my truck and canoe to the put in point of nearby rivers and send it to my take out spot a day or twos float down river. That's a popular activity in Arkansas. It would be great! but I'm not holding my breath. If autonomy hasn't improved CONSIDERABLY, I'll opt for monthly subscription when FSD for roadtrips would be valuable.

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[Jonok]

Now that Tesla is opening super chargers to the masses, FSD is the main differentiator between Tesla EV’s and other EV’s (well aside from the fact that my M3 is the best car I’ve ever owned). I bought my M3 as soon as I could 6/18, and have no intention of ever getting rid of it. It has been a blast experiencing the tiny FSD bumps in capability along the way, getting a new computer for free… I don’t remember it being $7k either. I seem to remember it being $2500 for the earliest M3 orders.
Anyway, my CT will have FSD for sure.

 

[FutureBoy]

I did select FSD at $7k initially, but later removed it upgrading my trim selection from a Dual-Motor to Tri-Motor.

So you removed the completely free and non-binding option to purchase FSD in the future for $7k that currently costs $15k and is being predicted by Tesla (well, mostly Elon) as one of the lagest asset value increases in history.




I find that to be an interesting choice. Seems like you just removed and closed down your option to take advantage of something that no one yet knows exactly how it is going to turn out. I tend to try and keep my options open as long as I can so that I can make the most informed choice as possible as long as there is no downside to keeping the option open.

At $7k I could just subscribe as needed jumping in and out for 3-years, and considering the longest I ever keep vehicles is 3-5 years it just doesn't make sense to purchase any software package upfront.

Given the scenario you describe, it might make sense to do what you did. But there seems to be a break even point. If you keep the vehicle for 3 years and the subscription costs more than $194/mo then it would have been cheaper (not accounting for cost of money and opportunity costs, etc) to just pay the $7k. If you keep the vehicle for 5 years then the subscription costing more than $116/mo would have been more expensive than the $7k initial purchase.

But you say you want to jump in and out of the subscription... In which case it comes down to a couple things. Will the subscription be priced by the month (sign up for 1 month at a time)? Or will you be able to subscribe for fractions of a month? If you sign up for a month, will you always remember to cancel before the second month starts and you get another monthly charge? Or will the price differ based on monthly vs yearly subscriptions.... There are a lot of questions that could be asked here to get a better analysis.

And while you could look at what the possibilities are at the moment, based on Elon's comments, nearly everything could get changed up once FSD "goes to wide release". I'd like to know what the choices will be at that point before I make a final decision about how I utilize FSD. The way things have been progressing with the CT and my place in line, there is a pretty good chance I will have the full set of details available to me when I finally have to make the choice of how to purchase/rent FSD.

Also consider once pricing is released I'm betting many will need to drop the FSD package to keep the MSRP under the Federal incentive cap of $80k.

Possibly yes. But again, this is a big unknown. As you say, you are "betting" on this. How often do you bet against Tesla or the federal government and come out on top? Why lock yourself into a choice that you don't have all the details about when there is no downside to keeping the options open?

But you do you. I hope your choice pays off for you in the end.

 

[Gurule92]

If I had a nickel...

You'd have 5 cents. I'll call it phillip

 

[Propwash]

I love my FSD in my 2017 X. in the last few months it has become very reliable including navigating through round-abouts. It still needs to learn about school zones.

 

[Rutrow]

Also consider once pricing is released I'm betting many will need to drop the FSD package to keep the MSRP under the Federal incentive cap of $80k.

The price of the vehicle for purposes of tax credit will not include optional software. It only includes...

Software isn't physical.

 

[NJturtlePower]

unless i am mistaken the price used is the manufacturers suggested retail price.. so yeahh accessories don't affect it.

The price of the vehicle for purposes of tax credit will not include optional software. It only includes...

Software isn't physical.

Wrong... Software IS physical, it's onboard at the time of delivery and not user removable (unlike a floor mat for example) and not considered a fee, care or maintenance item so it DOES counts towards the MSRP cap.

Not the first time I've claimed this EV credit and much like our local NJ incentive the programs are interpreted and modeled the same way.

IRS Source: https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/topic-...-limitations-for-the-new-clean-vehicle-credit

 

[Rutrow]

Wrong... Software IS physical

I disagree, and my tax attorney disagrees, with your opinion. I'm not going to come right out and say you're "Wrong", as this may have to be settled definitively by a court somewhere, but declaring software to be "physically attached" to my truck seems a stretch. The statement of fact that you cited, using New Jersey statute language that doesn't exist in the IRS document you linked to, would be ignored by a federal court unless you can show precedent for NJ rules applying nationally.

Another wrinkle to consider is the fact that every line of code of FSD software is present (physically attached by your definition) on every Tesla vehicle sold, whether access to it has been unlocked by Tesla or not.

 

[cvalue13]

I don’t know if FSD is included in the IRS guidance on MSRP for price cap purposes.

Who here has recently purchased another model with FSD and was eligible for the credit?

I don’t think the IRS guidance being quoted above applies straightforwardly in Tesla’s unique sales model - as whether Tesla will be viewed as the “dealer” or not in a specific context is unclear.

Unclear if Tesla is the “dealer” for purposes of the interpreting: “[MSRP] does not include destination charges or optional items added by the dealer, or taxes and fees.”

But if FSD *is* included it raises a separate issue:

how will the IRS treat MSRP (or “retail price”) of FSD for folks who locked in a discount? I think the answer is, the IRS will ignore the discount.

If forced to bet, I’d error on the side of caution that the IRS will not look to what you paid for it on a discounted basis (eg the discounted $7K price), but instead the “Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price” or “retail price” in its market price conditions.

No other such manufacturer discount to MSRP/retail price is considered in the IRS calculation:

“Q6. If the manufacturer/dealer offers incentives on the purchase, and the total purchase price drops below the manufacturer's suggested retail price limitation, will the vehicle be eligible for the new clean vehicles credit? (added December 29, 2022)
A6. The credit limitations on the price of the vehicle are based on manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP), not the actual price you paid for the vehicle. See FAQ 3 for how to determine MSRP.”

 

[CyberGus]

Wrong... Software IS physical, it's onboard at the time of delivery and not user removable (unlike a floor mat for example) and not considered a fee, care or maintenance item so it DOES counts towards the MSRP cap.

Not the first time I've claimed this EV credit and much like our local NJ incentive the programs are interpreted and modeled the same way.

IRS Source: https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/topic-...-limitations-for-the-new-clean-vehicle-credit

Tesla says very explicitly:

Price Caps​

The vehicle price includes optional equipment physically attached to the vehicle at the time of delivery and excludes software features, accessories, taxes and fees.​

https://www.tesla.com/support/incentives?redirect=no#new-vehicles

 

[HaulingAss]

I have fsd and premium connectivity on my model 3. I'd like to know, is it possible to transfer those to my new cybertruck?

My Italian mistress has to return to her homeland to take care of her grandmother. I'm afraid she won't be coming back so your question made me wonder if there is any way to transfer her sexiness, bedroom manners and flair for Italian cooking over to my wife before she leaves? This shouldn't be too difficult, no?

 

[charliemagpie]

My Italian mistress has to return to her homeland to take care of her grandmother. I'm afraid she won't be coming back so your question made me wonder if there is any way to transfer her sexiness, bedroom manners and flair for Italian cooking over to my wife before she leaves? This shouldn't be too difficult, no?

No mate, we Italians cannot be copied.

 

[John K]

My Italian mistress has to return to her homeland to take care of her grandmother. I'm afraid she won't be coming back so your question made me wonder if there is any way to transfer her sexiness, bedroom manners and flair for Italian cooking over to my wife before she leaves? This shouldn't be too difficult, no?

Just have mistress and wife meet and confer.

 

[NJturtlePower]

Tesla says very explicitly:

Price Caps​

The vehicle price includes optional equipment physically attached to the vehicle at the time of delivery and excludes software features, accessories, taxes and fees.​

https://www.tesla.com/support/incentives?redirect=no#new-vehicles

Of course they do...they want to sell FSD, but they make no rules as far as Federal tax incentive eligibility. They simply follow what the IRS dictates.

Do we get to subtract a random amount for Autopilot too then? Its included software already built in to the MSRP... Nope. Let alone a separate line item add-on like EAP or FSD.

The way its always been is that if its on the window sticker, it counts towards MSRP outside of taxes, fees and destination charge. The parts about excluding accessories or car care items are new parts of this bill.

Good luck... honestly doesn't mean anything to me as a non-FSD user/believer or future supporter....just don't be surprised.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I did select FSD at $7k initially, but later removed it upgrading my trim selection from a Dual-Motor to Tri-Motor.

I've never been an FSD fan, my use case (mostly local driving / 10-20 minute drives) just doesn't take advantage of it's usefulness and FSD will NEVER drive like I want it to around town. On my first Model 3 (2018 LR RWD) I actually drove it for a full year without even Autopilot (was not standard at the time) and honestly still enjoyed every day with it.

At $7k I could just subscribe as needed jumping in and out for 3-years, and considering the longest I ever keep vehicles is 3-5 years it just doesn't make sense to purchase any software package upfront. Also consider once pricing is released I'm betting many will need to drop the FSD package to keep the MSRP under the Federal incentive cap of $80k.

There were several stories back In January timeframe saying that FSD doesn’t impact the $80,000 cutoff.

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