Why do we say its okay to have all these issues by many?

[Gurule92]

Edit add:

Married making $300k in many parts of this country for a family of four. No I would no suggest they buy an $80k truck.

And the people with untaxable income that goes above that? what about the parts of the country where 300k is huge? What about the families of 2, or 3?

Why are we acting like no one can get the truck and the credits? Sounds like the uber rich pretending that upper middle class doesnt exist.

You can excuse whomever you want. We don't have to do anything if we don't have problems.

There's no lynch mob here. Stop trying to create a mob mentality about problems that are isolated.

Many here must not have been around for the model 3 but it is often mentioned. So if you press that submit button and you order it and you're disappointed and you've been here for 4 years, I don't think you really have anything to complain about.

No one is saying to do anything. In fact, I am saying to stop doing something. Stop making excuses for Tesla.

I think it's safe to say that most people here love Tesla, myself included, which is why im on my third, going on fourth.

But if we dont point out the problems, how do they get better? The only mob being formed here is the mob of Tesla die hards that come after anyone who speaks about the company or truck in any way other than praise. Put down the pitchfork. Some people dont want to pay 100k for an unfinished truck and there's nothing wrong with that

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[Gurule92]

That's a laugher. Back on the ole 500 mile thing and it's more expensive. Haven't we all known about that.

Yep enjoy the Rivian cash burn, and a company going backwards not forwards on EV's.

I will keep enjoying my Cybertruck. As you all keep hating on it or making excuses of why you don't want to pull the trigger.
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you can downplay the price increase all you want. it literally doubled... more if you count incentives.

 

[Outdoors]

you can downplay the price increase all you want. it literally doubled... more if you count incentives.

Sounds like you can't or don't want to buy. Don't come and yuck everyone's yum along the way. Not cool bro.

 

[Gurule92]

Sounds like you can't or don't want to buy. Don't come and yuck everyone's yum along the way. Not cool bro.

You're the one who literally came to a person's thread about cybertruck issues to tell him and everyone else to stop worrying about issues because you're happy with your truck.

is it to stroke your ego? or is it copium?

You keep enjoying the CT, good for you. While you do that. I'll enjoy the model X I bought for under half the price of the CT. And I'll do that until the price drops on the CT, which should then hopefully be finished. Then I will have both for under what you paid. I'll wait to see your post about how your truck depreciated by 30k overnight. But by your logic, it will be just a small decrease.

 

[Crissa]

Are you just sticking your fingers in your ears and singing lalala. You know they had to recall every truck and stop sales right? So literally every truck before deliveries started back up has had at least one issue. i think it was 4000?

"Having a recall" is not the same as "Having an issue". Only two trucks at the time of the recall "had the issue;" the rest were checked to make sure they didn't, because they weren't sure which of them could have been altered that way.

btw, I've enjoyed your posts. I understand the frustration. But we can't let it ruin it for others, or let it run into other threads.

Recalls are normal. As are issues. They suck. But there's no evidence Tesla is doing worse than average here.

-Crissa

 

[Gurule92]

"Having a recall" is not the same as "Having an issue". Only two trucks at the time of the recall "had the issue;" the rest were checked to make sure they didn't, because they weren't sure which of them could have been altered that way.

btw, I've enjoyed your posts. I understand the frustration. But we can't let it ruin it for others, or let it run into other threads.

Recalls are normal. As are issues. They suck. But there's no evidence Tesla is doing worse than average here.

-Crissa

I would say that if every truck had to get checked/fixed then every truck had an issue.

I'm not trying to ruin anything for others. I am trying to stop people from jumping down everyone who brings up the flaws throats.

OP had a legitimate question and got hounded and he's not the first.

We turn into a pack of rabid wolves whenever someone raises a concern.

Recalls and issues are totally normal. And if people want to get the truck even with those things then that's totally fine.

What's not fine, is coming after people who voice their frustrations, acting like there are no issues.

 

[Cyber Man]

Recalls are normal. As are issues. They suck. But there's no evidence Tesla is doing worse than average here.

Nailed it!

@Gurule92 - I don't think anybody is ganging up against OP. To apply critical thinking, we need to use facts. Do we know what's the exact percentage of users who are actually having issues? For example: If 2 trucks had pedal issues (not recalls as Crissa said), then it's 0.05%. If other 3998 trucks had issues, users would have reported. Recalls happen because of caution. If you have stats like this for other issues, please share. The problem with threads like this is that probably 1% (as an example) of the users will have issues but people pick on that and talk as if it's 100%, and then these threads get picked up by mainstream media, and then people like you keep defending the fact that 1% is real. Nobody is saying the issues are not real. Critical thinking involves clear articulation of the numbers to reflect how these issues compare in relation to the number of vehicles. Recalls, body panel gaps, rail dust, service issues, etc. all are valid issues, but how many CT owners are having these issues and how other ICE truck issues compare to this number. Do you have that stats? Unfortunately nobody has. When we don't have facts, we start hypothesizing like what we are doing in this thread. Just because issues are real doesn't mean it's real for everyone.

Rivian and Ford dent repairs are not cheap. They don't have secure vaults. They don't have steer by wire, which by far gives the best driving experience. It's not apples to apples price comparison. I'm also disappointed with Cybertruck pricing, but when I check out the prices of other equally capable vehicles, it's not dirt cheap. Just go around shopping for a truck that has 2500 lbs payload and 11,000 lbs towing. Forget about all other features (metal body, steer by wire, adjustable height, sound system, acceleration, charging network). You will realize what I'm talking about in terms of price.

 

[Gurule92]

Nailed it!

@Gurule92 - I don't think anybody is ganging up against OP. To apply the critical thinking, we need to use facts. Do we know what's the exact percentage of users who are actually having issues? For example: If 2 trucks had pedal issues (not recalls as Crissa said), then it's 0.05%. If other 3998 trucks had issues, users would have reported. Recalls happen because of caution. If you have stats like this for other issues, please share. The problem with threads like this is that probably 1% (as an example) of the users will have issues but people pick on that and talk as if it's 100%, and then these threads get picked up by mainstream media, and then people like you keep defending the fact that 1% is real. Nobody is saying the issues are not real. Critical thinking involves clear articulation of the numbers to reflect how these issues compare in relation to the number of vehicles. Recalls, body panel gaps, rail dust, service issues, etc. all are valid issues, but how many CT owners are having these issues and how other ICE truck issues compare to this number. Do you have that stats? Unfortunately nobody has. When we don't have facts, we start hypothesizing like what we are doing in this thread. Just because issues are real doesn't mean it's real for everyone.

Rivian and Ford dent repairs are not cheap. They don't have secure vaults. They don't have steer by wire, which by far gives the best driving experience. It's not apples to apples price comparison. I'm also disappointed with Cybertruck pricing, but when I check out the prices of other equally capable vehicles, it's not dirt cheap. Just go around shopping for a truck that has 2500 lbs payload and 11,000 lbs towing. Forget about all other features (metal body, steer by wire, adjustable height, sound system, acceleration, charging network). You will realize what I'm talking about in terms of price.

We can't say people werent ganging up on him when he literally quit the forum because he felt bullied. edit: disregard. OP didnt bounce

I hear what you're saying and yes in the grand scheme, the issues are probably pretty rare. and most of them dont matter at all, like the rust and the gaps. But, it only takes one pedal error or plastic piece flying off to cause a car accident.

It only takes one bricking after a car wash to leave you stranded on the side of the road with your family.

there are two or three new issue threads that popped up since I starting talking about the issues today. Once of which itemizes 5 issues hes had since buying. We have to stop minimizing them.

The MSM sucks, 100%. But like I mentioned earlier. The way to get Tesla to fix the issues is to make them known.

My point about the R1T and the lightning are, while they do not match the CT in every way, they do beat it in some ways (R1T matches the towing capacity, arguably beats it offroad and has more range for example) and the difference in price is too wide to justify the difference in capability. So for the people to be acting like there is no truck that compares is silly.

 

[Nolacyber]

Are you just sticking your fingers in your ears and singing lalala. You know they had to recall every truck and stop sales right? So literally every truck before deliveries started back up has had at least one issue. i think it was 4000?


We have a thread full of people who have, as you put it, been petty. Not everyone is cool with paying more for less, putting blind faith in tesla and ignoring all the issues. even if they can afford it.

Stretching to get a truck may be stupid, but so is throwing money at something that's twice as expensive, than originally expected and not complete. And it'll feel even more stupid when the price comes down and us, "petty" people scoop it up for tens of thousands less.

There is one thing these threads are always full of. It's people who can't critically think about the world from other people's perspectives. Elon isn't going to notice you

Your post is so ridiculous. All 3400 cts had to have a rivet putin the accelerator because of two incidents. Literally a ten minute fix. Production never stopped. If you don’t like the CT pricing and can’t afford or don’t see the value then kindly leave the forum. You are adding nothing to the discussion.

 

[Cyber Man]

We can't say people werent ganging up on him when he literally quit the forum because he felt bullied.

I hear what you're saying and yes in the grand scheme, the issues are probably pretty rare. and most of them dont matter at all, like the rust and the gaps. But, it only takes one pedal error or plastic piece flying off to cause a car accident.

It only takes one bricking after a car wash to leave you stranded on the side of the road with your family.

there are two or three new issue threads that popped up since I starting talking about the issues today. Once of which itemizes 5 issues hes had since buying. We have to stop minimizing them.

The MSM sucks, 100%. But like I mentioned earlier. The way to get Tesla to fix the issues is to make them known.

My point about the R1T and the lightning are, while they do not match the CT in every way, they do beat it in some ways (R1T matches the towing capacity, arguably beats it offroad and has more range for example) and the difference in price is too wide to justify the difference in capability. So for the people to be acting like there is no truck that compares is silly.

Ugh! I didn't know the OP left forum. That sucks. Forums are always filled with strong opinions. I don't know if bully is the right word. I have been opposed and made fun in some forums for posting something I thought was right.

You are right about the issues, again, we need to know how these issues are happening in relation to the overall vehicles. I remember Model Y roof flew off for one of the customer when it was initially launched. Model 3 had tons of issues. My brother still complains about how the armrest blocks the movement of the driver seat. All valid. Question is what %. We have to ask the right question to get the right answers.

Yes, Rivian beats the price, but the price difference justification is very subjective. If you talk to a contractor who gets dents all the time and needs a secure vault, he will say the price difference is completely justified. The capabilities that we need are very very very subjective. Some might not care at all for a particular feature, and some might need it absolutely.

 

[Gurule92]

Your post is so ridiculous. All 3400 cts had to have a rivet putin the accelerator because of two incidents. Literally a ten minute fix. Production never stopped. If you don’t like the CT pricing and can’t afford or don’t see the value then kindly leave the forum. You are adding nothing to the discussion.

Deliveries stopped, not production. You're doing exactly what I am talking lol.

When someone says something that is negative about the truck, people immediately jump to, you dont like it then leave.

I would argue that I've added more to the CT discussion than 90% of people on this forum, including you. Just because you don't like what I said, doesnt mean i'm wrong.

If you can't stand someone pointing out flaws in the CT or the company, kindly leave the thread about flaws in the truck.

 

[Gurule92]

Ugh! I didn't know the OP left forum. That sucks. Forums are always filled with strong opinions. I don't know if bully is the right word. I have been opposed and made fun in some forums for posting something I thought was right.

You are right about the issues, again, we need to know how these issues are happening in relation to the overall vehicles. I remember Model Y roof flew off for one of the customer when it was initially launched. Model 3 had tons of issues. My brother still complains about how the armrest blocks the movement of the driver seat. All valid. Question is what %. There is no wrong answer, but we have to ask the right question.

Yes, Rivian beats the price, but the price difference justification is very subjective. If you talk to a contractor who gets dents all the time and needs a secure vault, he will say the price difference is completely justified. The capabilities that we need are very very very subjective. Some might not care at all for a particular feature, and some might need it absolutely.

The truck has its place for sure. And people are not wrong for buying it. My only point is that we cant keep acting like everyone who brings up an issue is some TSLAQ plant trying to crash the stock price (not saying that is how you are acting)

But I think we can all agree, that while a good value proposition now, when the truck is feature complete and at the actually promised price point (79k), it will be a great value proposition.

Edit:
I do have a second point. We need to stop wearing our, Tesla can do no wrong blinder. Lets all make a better truck by talking about the issues and raising legit concerns like paying 100k for a not feature complete truck

 

[Psybertruck]

I can careless about the voluntary recall. Hence the reason it wasn't even listed on my post. Seemed like a legit smart move by Tesla.

I fully expect software glitches (didn't list it).

But to say it's within reason for your seat belt to be installed incorrectly, gear selector hanging , and have the windshield wiper motor working at delivery etc... is not okay.

It's not okay to justify a sh*tty job by comparing it to issues from other companies. Another company's recall/issues doesn't justify another's. I certainly don't approach things that way or pat myself in the back for subpar performance just because others sucked. If BMW, Audi, Benz etc made a mistake, I would call them out equally.

You might as well have Tesla advertise "we have crappy QC but expect it since others do to!"

Tesla doesn't get a free pass from my criticism. I don't/didn't even bother about comparing Tesla to other companies because our issues have nothing to do with them. They are the leaders in EV and autonomous driving, so why get triggered when I bring up simple QC/service experience issues?

We can agree to disagree.

I digress from being "misleading and destructive".

 

[Outdoors]

You're the one who literally came to a person's thread about cybertruck issues to tell him and everyone else to stop worrying about issues because you're happy with your truck.

is it to stroke your ego? or is it copium?

You keep enjoying the CT, good for you. While you do that. I'll enjoy the model X I bought for under half the price of the CT. And I'll do that until the price drops on the CT, which should then hopefully be finished. Then I will have both for under what you paid. I'll wait to see your post about how your truck depreciated by 30k overnight. But by your logic, it will be just a small decrease.

Nope on the ego. Hey according to some I am just a hermit in the woods.
Copium wouldn't apply as I have said I want to buy second truck at today's prices from Tesla.

I am just sharing me having a great time. While others try to scare people away. So I am glad it took you the time to figure that out. I get to share that some are spreading fear in people that are about to take delivery.

This is so far a running tally of your FUD on this thread. It is evident you aren't taking delivery of a Cybertruck in Founders Series. Almost bitter for those who are.

@Gurule92 FUD

1. I am trying to impress Elon
2. Range and price not delivered
3. Bringing up all the other cars even used
4. Fears on rust
5. Best one is causing an accident because of pedal.

I highly doubt you will see me complaining about anything on prices. I never have, and my last ICE was bought in 2012. So I have paid a premium on each and every Tesla.

I will say it again....

Show me an issue that has not been fixed or promised to be fixed by Tesla on a delivery for a Cybertruck.

Anyone?

 

[Psybertruck]

By the way, since day one my 2018 model X falcon door still doesn't open 100% of the time and driver side window still barely rolls up and squeaks.

But it's okay, I'm sure there's someone here in the forum with a Ford or Chrysler with a faulty door and window. So I should stop whining, shut up or just sell the car right?

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