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We just returned from a 1600 mile winter trip along I-90 in Minnesota & South Dakota. FSD 13.1 AWD Cybertruck. Temperature single digits Fahrenheit.

Westbound, we started out in a blizzard a couple hours before sunrise. NO problems with traction or headlight issues. When the snow stopped, the wind picked up, a perfect headwind of 40-50 mph with higher gusts. I-90 speed limit is 80 mph in SD. With FSD (chill) at 70 mph, we were using 1000-1100+ Wh/mile. It was too rough going much faster. There was a lot of wind noise, like one would expect driving at 120 mph! That equated to about 1% battery range/mile. We stopped at every Supercharger. The Cybertruck was pretty good at estimating what the arriving charge would be at the next Supercharger, sometimes we'd see a percent or two lower than what was estimated after charging upon arrival.

The next day, the temperature was the same, but NO wind. 70 mph saw 480-520 Wh/mile. Going 80 mph was a "breeze" after the previous day.

Coming home today, we had some headwind, but nothing like last week. Maybe we saw 10-15% more Wh/mile.....and the ride was quiet.

Tesla Cybertruck Wind speed vs Cybertruck (with single digit temperatures) 1735180518471-6l


You can see from the chart above that wind pressure is not linear with wind speed, but almost logarithmic, actually it is the square of velocity.

Lessons:
1) A trip will take longer with strong headwinds and use a lot more energy. www.windyty.com has pretty good forecasting. Plan ahead for slower road speed and more time charging.
2) The Cybertruck is pretty good estimating destination charge even with severe winds.
3) The wind noise goes up exponentially with speed (who knew?), but with equivalent 110-120 mph "effective speed," it IS noisy.
4) AT tires gave no problems on snow packed roads.
5) We never saw the headlight problems others have reported.
6) The batteries were almost always preconditioning in the cold weather, which reduced the range some.
7) What an AMAZING pleasant vehicle to drive, errrr, letting FSD drive us! Just have to plan on "working" a little harder with extreme headwinds.
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Nice post. I travelled from Northern MN through ND on my way home back to CA the day after xmas winter of 2023 in a MX when they closed I-94 due to ice. Spent 12hrs parked in a Dickinson, ND truck stop with camp mode trying to get some sleep. Only used about 20mi of range.. Having grown up driving in MN I was comfortable driving in the treacherous conditions, but when I realized I was the only vehicle left on the freeway, I opted to pull off. Myth buster experience. :)
 
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Nice post. I travelled from Northern MN through ND on my way home back to CA the day after xmas winter of 2023 in a MX when they closed I-94 due to ice. Spent 12hrs parked in a Dickinson, ND truck stop with camp mode trying to get some sleep. Only used about 20mi of range.. Having grown up driving in MN I was comfortable driving in the treacherous conditions, but when I realized I was the only vehicle left on the freeway, I opted to pull off. Myth buster experience. :)
Winter driving is "easy" for us extreme northerners. We lived almost 6 years in Alaska, then 30 years in northern Minnesota (Bemidji). We know cold. We know snow. We just plan for it. It takes a little more planning with EV's.......
 

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Tru dat. I have been constantly amazed at the ability of the MX to handle treacherous conditions. I also drove through SD the day after they reopened I-90 in the winter of 2022 heading up to HIbbing for xmas with my wife and son (the drifts were touching the over-passes..), and before heading out one morning tried to get the MX to spin (mostly to address any uneasiness as they both did not grow up driving in snow). I could not induce any amount of rotation on the snow-packed frontage road. My son informed me that the on-board computers are tracking wheel movements to such a degree that it is constantly muting poor/improper inputs by the driver.. Mission accomplished. Hopefully folks like us can continue to demystify the incredible EV experience and counter some of the crazy talk from some in leadership roles.. :D
 

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Great to hear you don’t have any issues with the snow covering the headlights. Assume it wasn’t the wet sticky snow?

I’ve noticed these 4680 cells easily get cold compared to the 2170 cells in the other models (although, not sure if all of the recent Ys have the 4680 cells)
 


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You would think it is easier to keep a larger battery warmer
Tesla Cybertruck Wind speed vs Cybertruck (with single digit temperatures) 1735252460994-ri
 

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We just returned from a 1600 mile winter trip along I-90 in Minnesota & South Dakota. FSD 13.1 AWD Cybertruck. Temperature single digits Fahrenheit.

Westbound, we started out in a blizzard a couple hours before sunrise. NO problems with traction or headlight issues. When the snow stopped, the wind picked up, a perfect headwind of 40-50 mph with higher gusts. I-90 speed limit is 80 mph in SD. With FSD (chill) at 70 mph, we were using 1000-1100+ Wh/mile. It was too rough going much faster. There was a lot of wind noise, like one would expect driving at 120 mph! That equated to about 1% battery range/mile. We stopped at every Supercharger. The Cybertruck was pretty good at estimating what the arriving charge would be at the next Supercharger, sometimes we'd see a percent or two lower than what was estimated after charging upon arrival.

The next day, the temperature was the same, but NO wind. 70 mph saw 480-520 Wh/mile. Going 80 mph was a "breeze" after the previous day.

Coming home today, we had some headwind, but nothing like last week. Maybe we saw 10-15% more Wh/mile.....and the ride was quiet.

1735180518471-6l.webp


You can see from the chart above that wind pressure is not linear with wind speed, but almost logarithmic, actually it is the square of velocity.

Lessons:
1) A trip will take longer with strong headwinds and use a lot more energy. www.windyty.com has pretty good forecasting. Plan ahead for slower road speed and more time charging.
2) The Cybertruck is pretty good estimating destination charge even with severe winds.
3) The wind noise goes up exponentially with speed (who knew?), but with equivalent 110-120 mph "effective speed," it IS noisy.
4) AT tires gave no problems on snow packed roads.
5) We never saw the headlight problems others have reported.
6) The batteries were almost always preconditioning in the cold weather, which reduced the range some.
7) What an AMAZING pleasant vehicle to drive, errrr, letting FSD drive us! Just have to plan on "working" a little harder with extreme headwinds.
Thanks for sharing your direct experience and helping bust so many false narratives being spread today.

That said, a visit to the Silverado EV forum will show that Silverado owners are not having as easy a go of it. Not only do they generally have a lot less EV experience than your typical Cybertruck owner, but the thermal management system is an efficiency mess. It is not as integrated as Tesla made their system using the octovalve and liquid cooling on the computers to harvest waste heat.

Sometimes the Silverado's climate system goes from warm to cold with no change to the temperature settings. Their range loss can be dramatic (although many of them are not as clued in as you are as to how much the wind/aerodynamics affects winter range). And the increased cost of charging is magnified by the poor thermal efficiency coupled with the lack of an aerodynamic shape like the Cybertruck has. That's a very real hit to the wallet, far above what would be experienced if they had a Cybertruck.

Air becomes significantly more dense in such temperatures which magnifies the effect of headwinds (or the benefits of tailwinds). I recall many years ago taking a trip with a 60 mph tailwind (in an ICE car), I got incredible MPG and it was quiet as a library in the cabin. No engine grunting noises, no wind noise, just the slight noise of the tires rolling along effortlessly at 70 mph.
 

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If you use the Tessie app you can get a ton of more detailed info in chart form. I don't know that windspeed is on there, but it does track efficiency based on temperature and driving speed at all times.
 

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I was in upstate NY right after Christmas and the temp got into the low single digits for a couple days. I was expecting the range to drop a lot, but what really struck me was that the battery drained a ton overnight. I don't know if it was the holiday update or what, but it doesn't seem like it goes to sleep as often (or at all) anymore, and it lost a ton of range overnight. Plugging the mobile charger into a 15amp plug was barely enough to keep the batteries from dropping - I think it added 1% over 10 hours overnight and that was only once the temps went up into the teens. I was kind of shocked that 12amps through the mobile charger not only wasn't enough to add range, but was barely enough to keep it from dropping!
 

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I was in upstate NY right after Christmas and the temp got into the low single digits for a couple days. I was expecting the range to drop a lot, but what really struck me was that the battery drained a ton overnight. I don't know if it was the holiday update or what, but it doesn't seem like it goes to sleep as often (or at all) anymore, and it lost a ton of range overnight. Plugging the mobile charger into a 15amp plug was barely enough to keep the batteries from dropping - I think it added 1% over 10 hours overnight and that was only once the temps went up into the teens. I was kind of shocked that 12amps through the mobile charger not only wasn't enough to add range, but was barely enough to keep it from dropping!
And Sentry Mode was off?
 


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I was in upstate NY right after Christmas and the temp got into the low single digits for a couple days. I was expecting the range to drop a lot, but what really struck me was that the battery drained a ton overnight. I don't know if it was the holiday update or what, but it doesn't seem like it goes to sleep as often (or at all) anymore, and it lost a ton of range overnight. Plugging the mobile charger into a 15amp plug was barely enough to keep the batteries from dropping - I think it added 1% over 10 hours overnight and that was only once the temps went up into the teens. I was kind of shocked that 12amps through the mobile charger not only wasn't enough to add range, but was barely enough to keep it from dropping!
Model 3 same way- direct experience in an airport parking garage. The 20a 120v adapter - 16a continuous really helps get at least some positive charge rate while cold
I expect all Tesla vehicles are the same. Probably most other EVs… but again, no experience there
 

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I was in upstate NY right after Christmas and the temp got into the low single digits for a couple days. I was expecting the range to drop a lot, but what really struck me was that the battery drained a ton overnight. I don't know if it was the holiday update or what, but it doesn't seem like it goes to sleep as often (or at all) anymore, and it lost a ton of range overnight. Plugging the mobile charger into a 15amp plug was barely enough to keep the batteries from dropping - I think it added 1% over 10 hours overnight and that was only once the temps went up into the teens. I was kind of shocked that 12amps through the mobile charger not only wasn't enough to add range, but was barely enough to keep it from dropping!
I am pretty sure the overnight battery drop is from the truck keeping the batteries warm. I have been parking outside for the past month instead of inside my garage and the battery drops a lot more at night when outside in the cold. You may see a snowflake with some blue on the battery gauge to indicate that the truck is using power to keep the batteries warm
 

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I am pretty sure the overnight battery drop is from the truck keeping the batteries warm. I have been parking outside for the past month instead of inside my garage and the battery drops a lot more at night when outside in the cold. You may see a snowflake with some blue on the battery gauge to indicate that the truck is using power to keep the batteries warm
Gotcha, I didn't realize it was actively heating the batteries versus just letting the charging itself heat them.
 

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I was in upstate NY right after Christmas and the temp got into the low single digits for a couple days. I was expecting the range to drop a lot, but what really struck me was that the battery drained a ton overnight. I don't know if it was the holiday update or what, but it doesn't seem like it goes to sleep as often (or at all) anymore, and it lost a ton of range overnight. Plugging the mobile charger into a 15amp plug was barely enough to keep the batteries from dropping - I think it added 1% over 10 hours overnight and that was only once the temps went up into the teens. I was kind of shocked that 12amps through the mobile charger not only wasn't enough to add range, but was barely enough to keep it from dropping!
Same for our Model S at 7F in Spokane, mileage gain only during the day when it was in the sun. I guess it takes 11-12 A at 110V just to keep from freezing.
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