Motortrend global president is thinking 80k

[Gurule92]

Thinking of putting an ad for my biz on the tailgate and writing the entire cost off as a marketing/advertising expense. https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc510

Will it fly?

I'm boutta use it for uber and lyft sometimes so ima try to write it off lol

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[MoePoulin]

I always thought it would be 80k for a tri-motor too.

The income limit is $150,000 . i chose FSD so i dont think i'll qualify, but i "only" make 80k a year pre-tax. My last Tesla paid for itself though, so i believe this one will too

Not 100% sure but I believe FSD is not calculated in the price of the vehicle as it is an accessory. You should be good at 80K as long as Tesla keeps it below 80K

 

[Greshnab]

Not 100% sure but I believe FSD is not calculated in the price of the vehicle as it is an accessory. You should be good at 80K as long as Tesla keeps it below 80K

unless i am mistaken the price used is the manufacturers suggested retail price.. so yeahh accessories don't affect it.

 

[uscbucsfan]

unless i am mistaken the price used is the manufacturers suggested retail price.. so yeahh accessories don't affect it.

Software accessories do not, but add-ons do. Seat colors, wheels, etc. contribute.

 

[cvalue13]

Not 100% sure but I believe FSD is not calculated in the price of the vehicle as it is an accessory. You should be good at 80K as long as Tesla keeps it below 80K

unless i am mistaken the price used is the manufacturers suggested retail price.. so yeahh accessories don't affect it.

Software accessories do not, but add-ons do. Seat colors, wheels, etc. contribute.

“MSRP is the retail price of the automobile suggested by the manufacturer, including manufacturer installed options, accessories and trim but excluding destination fees. It isn't necessarily the price you pay” - IRS

“The MSRP for this purpose is the base retail price suggested by the manufacturer, plus the retail price suggested by the manufacturer for each accessory or item of optional equipment physically attached to the vehicle at the time of delivery to the dealer. It does not include destination charges or optional items added by the dealer, or taxes and fees.” - IRS

“The credit limitations on the price of the vehicle are based on manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP), not the actual price you paid for the vehicle.” -IRS

 

[Rutrow]

“MSRP is the retail price of the automobile suggested by the manufacturer, including manufacturer installed options, accessories and trim but excluding destination fees. It isn't necessarily the price you pay” - IRS

“The MSRP for this purpose is the base retail price suggested by the manufacturer, plus the retail price suggested by the manufacturer for each accessory or item of optional equipment physically attached to the vehicle at the time of delivery to the dealer. It does not include destination charges or optional items added by the dealer, or taxes and fees.” - IRS

“The credit limitations on the price of the vehicle are based on manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP), not the actual price you paid for the vehicle.” -IRS

I read the IRS rules about a dozen times to try and get my head around "installed". In the modern vernacular we "install" software, but is it really "installed"?!? ? FSD is "installed" in every car Tesla makes these days. If you didn't pay for it, does its value still get included in the MSRP of every Tesla? How about my rear seat heater? I never paid for it (I never sit back there) but the heating elements were certainly "installed" by the manufacturer. Would my unactivated seat heater get added to my car's MSRP?

I think there will need to be an IRS opinion issued, or a court case to decide what "installed" means in a software centric industry that cars are beginning to all fall into.

The IRS rules seem clear to me that "dealer installed" accessories aren't included in MSRP. Is there some way to claim that all software options are installed by your sales associate? Or perhaps Tesla will sell you the car without any software options installed, but also allow you to get them installed before you take delivery and roll these new after-market accessories into your final bill so that you can include it in your loan. Or, Tesla could allow you to buy this stuff with a separate 0% interest loan that gets charged to the SuperCharger credit card you have on file. If you fail to pay, they can repossess the accessory OTA.

I'm sure there's a way to keep FSD (et al) off of the MSRP.

 

[cvalue13]

I'm sure there's a way to keep FSD (et al) off of the MSRP.

Way unclear to me

Esp since Tesla in particular either has no dealer, or is the dealer.

 

[Rutrow]

Way unclear to me

Esp since Tesla in particular either has no dealer, or is the dealer.

That's why I said "sales associate". Carlos is my Tesla sales associate, and the ipad he was carrying could "install" FSD on my car.

The last resort option is to add all of the software features OTA after you've taken delivery. The only downside to this is that you can't include the options in your car note (easily). That's why I say, if all else fails, let Tesla finance all software options at 0% for the term of your loan. It's all 100% margin anyway, and there's no collection costs if they need to repossess it.

 

[RVAC]

EAP and FSD are software options, only hardware counts towards the cap:

"The vehicle price at time of delivery must not exceed the following caps. This price includes optional equipment physically attached to the vehicle at the time of delivery and excludes software features, accessories, taxes and fees." - Tesla

“The MSRP for this purpose is the base retail price suggested by the manufacturer, plus the retail price suggested by the manufacturer for each accessory or item of optional equipment physically attached to the vehicle at the time of delivery to the dealer. It does not include destination charges or optional items added by the dealer, or taxes and fees.” - IRS

 

[NJturtlePower]

225k for a couple 150 for a single person... and that is gross adjusted.

Wrong.... $225k is Head of Household, $300k is Married Filing Jointly

https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/tax2023.shtml

 

[NJturtlePower]

Here's the Electrek pricing guesstimates ?

https://electrek.co/2023/05/19/tesla-cybertruck-pricing/

 

[TBONO]

Here's the Electrek pricing guesstimates ?

https://electrek.co/2023/05/19/tesla-cybertruck-pricing/

Looks as good as any other guess I’ve seen. I’m curious though why this along with other recent references reference the top spec as 450+ miles instead of 500 miles for the range? Has there been an update/comment from Tesla on this? Last reference I heard was interview with Hans when he was asked about the range, and his comment was something along the lines that he is pleased/we will be pleased with the range.

 

[Rutrow]

Looks as good as any other guess I’ve seen. I’m curious though why this along with other recent references reference the top spec as 450+ miles instead of 500 miles for the range? Has there been an update/comment from Tesla on this? Last reference I heard was interview with Hans when he was asked about the range, and his comment was something along the lines that he is pleased/we will be pleased with the range.

I've been concerned about the top range of CT because of the slow advancements of the 4680 batteries. The 500 mile range was highly dependant on improved gravimetric power density that 4680 chemical improvements were expected to bring. I'm planning on towing an Airstream trailer around the continent, so range is THE most important thing for me. I never expected any where close to 500 mile towing, but 150 miles per charge is essential while pulling ~9000 lbs in the mountains, I have to be able to make it between SuperCharges out west. 500 miles had me breathing easy, a 450 mile range will still probably do... unless it's overly optimistic, or achieved by loading up with extra batteries.

Until Tesla comes out and confirms soon that top trim CyberTruck will have 500 miles of range, it's prudent to plan on it coming out in the 450 mile range.

 

[TBONO]

I've been concerned about the top range of CT because of the slow advancements of the 4680 batteries. The 500 mile range was highly dependant on improved gravimetric power density that 4680 chemical improvements were expected to bring. I'm planning on towing an Airstream trailer around the continent, so range is THE most important thing for me. I never expected any where close to 500 mile towing, but 150 miles per charge is essential while pulling ~9000 lbs in the mountains, I have to be able to make it between SuperCharges out west. 500 miles had me breathing easy, a 450 mile range will still probably do... unless it's overly optimistic, or achieved by loading up with extra batteries.

Until Tesla comes out and confirms soon that top trim CyberTruck will have 500 miles of range, it's prudent to plan on it coming out in the 450 mile range.

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that will be quite a picture of a cybertruck towing an AirStream !!

 

[Greshnab]

I've been concerned about the top range of CT because of the slow advancements of the 4680 batteries. The 500 mile range was highly dependant on improved gravimetric power density that 4680 chemical improvements were expected to bring. I'm planning on towing an Airstream trailer around the continent, so range is THE most important thing for me. I never expected any where close to 500 mile towing, but 150 miles per charge is essential while pulling ~9000 lbs in the mountains, I have to be able to make it between SuperCharges out west. 500 miles had me breathing easy, a 450 mile range will still probably do... unless it's overly optimistic, or achieved by loading up with extra batteries.

Until Tesla comes out and confirms soon that top trim CyberTruck will have 500 miles of range, it's prudent to plan on it coming out in the 450 mile range.

From the tesla cybertruck page.. and i know this could well be changed but it is what they have up there currently on the performance and efficience area....

"0-60 mph in as little as 2.9 seconds and up to 500 miles of range. "

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