New Naked Cybertruck BIW Pics + Analysis!

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Note that the front firewall has a circular hole for a steering column, but only on 1 side. No RHD models in this revision, eh?

Tesla: NO steer-by-wire for you!
Me: OK, I'll take the Steering Column on the right!

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There is sail storage, but they're storing a casting in it

Pirate Ships + Cast_aways!
( No idea what that means either )

edit: Where do Pirates Habour their Wenches (?)

 

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The width Rivian quotes is with mirrors folded, for whatever reason they don't provide a width without mirrors.

R1T mirrors folded: 81.8in
F-150 mirrors folded: 83.6in

'You've got to know when to fold 'em' ( Kenny Rogers)

 

[cvalue13]

I do think there is enough space in the rear for a spare, but as yet I have not seen a picture of a compartment lid that would allow one to be put in.

yeah, if betting, I’d bet the other bed floor piece uninstalls only for maintenance of tonneau, etc. That remainder of the bed floor, unlike the sub-bed storage, has no obvious handle/latch, corrugation cutouts at the bulkhead, etc.

BTW, as someone who regularly hauls loads of gravel and soil:

these bed floor seems, the sub-bed storage, and the trim piece cutouts for attachment points, etc., are going to be a lesson in why other trucks haven’t done these things on the bed floor before

And to remedy it, I’d suspect aftermarket to make drop-in bed liners

 

[cvalue13]

They are no longer required to be structural and are just external body cladding which are traditionally made of pretty thin gauge body panels. I ask the question (and Crista, I am not trolling!) does this not make the Cybertruck unnecessarily heavy?

But making the quaterpanels 3mm when not providing structure is just providing armor, which may or may not be of value for the weight.

*if* the panels are attached to this frame in a way that adds operational structural (as opposed to just armpit), then to that degree the castings and cab chassis are “under” built to the extent of the SS’s added operational structure

Which is to say the castings/chassis can be designed that much smaller/lighter in their own right

For all we know, a casting/chassis only structural design would require thicker, heavier, construction to meet the operational goals of the vehicle

im not here arguing the SS does in fact provide operational structure. Only that the existence of the castings/chassis is not self-evident proof that the SS doesn’t, and so that the SS is merely added weight rather than offsetting weight

personally, I think the hood, both front quarter panels, doors, and tailgate all each self-contained “exiskeletons” in the limited sense that the “skin” itself is what provides a material portion of the structure upon which any functionality hangs. This limited sense of “exoskeleton” should be settled since the Tesla patterns go to great lengths to describe exactly this, and define the word as such.

separately, the glass, battery pack, and possibly rear quarter panels all possibly and additionally perform operational structural.

and as for operational structure in a pickup truck, it’s really only the interface of the bed and cab chassis that require any such operational function. You don’t tow/payload with the front bumper

 

[JBee]

yeah, if betting, I’d bet the other bed floor piece uninstalls only for maintenance of tonneau, etc. That remainder of the bed floor, unlike the sub-bed storage, has no obvious handle/latch, corrugation cutouts at the bulkhead, etc.

BTW, as someone who regularly hauls loads of gravel and soil:

these bed floor seems, the sub-bed storage, and the trim piece cutouts for attachment points, etc., are going to be a lesson in why other trucks haven’t done these things on the bed floor before

And to remedy it, I’d suspect aftermarket to make drop-in bed liners

Yep I agree. Those panel gaps in the bed are annoying, and will be a pain to clean and keep clear to get the panels out to get to the underneath storage. Even more reason to put a spare under there and forget about using that space, especially if you have a bed liner in there to keep it clean.

My main concern that it won't have room for a spare under there, is that on my original CAD modelling, there simply wasn't enough space between the rear motor housing and the rear bumper to put a 35" wheel in. But now with the nappy in the rear bumper, and maybe smaller motors, there might just be enough space as you can see in the reflection in the render below. Either way I think a rear spare carrier might be necessary for overlanding trips in the bush where replacement tyres are rare.

 

[cvalue13]

Is it just me or do the frame bits for the 'sails' look like machined aluminum?

These castings definitely look like they've had extensive post-process machining.

there are some intelligent convos on Twitter (shocking, I know), suggesting that these parts on these units are in fact machined - the conjecture being that the castings are not yet operational for these pieces, and so to get them building they’re using more time intensive machining

and in these convos, noting the multi-piece design

Erm, the gigacastings are all aluminum alloys.

Yes and they’re being fastened to a (non stainless) steel cab chassis - which does raise the galvanic corrosion issue

Munro has discussed how these aluminum-steel fusion lines will take some special attention

 

[Stuck4ger]

Kids grow up so fast though...by the time you get your CT they probably don't need a carseat or booster seat anymore? ??

But then again once they're in their teens they won't fit in the back, and don't want to come with either...lol.

I must be showing my age by now. Certainly feeling it.

I'm not sure if you've sat in the rear of a MY before, but it's surprisingly comfy and a useable space even for me. I'm pretty big for a rear seat passenger with my 6"6 and all, but the flat floor and higher front seats give it good space, and I expect the packaging of the CT to be just as good. The rear seat width is however something that might be a bit smaller, but I think you will get away with it to have 3 kid seats installed. At the latest a booster seat for your oldest will give you enough width to sit all three accross the back in comfort.

But what if you might have quintuplets? That’s the final deal breaker for me. ?

 

[HaulingAss]

I think unloading the bed is a small price to pay for actually having the ability to carry a spare under the bed. I'd rather have one with, even if I need to unload the bed first, than not have one, and rely on roadside, if at all there is one nearby, to bring me a tyre that fits my wheel, from who knows where they have them in stock somewhere else in the country...

I don't plan to rely on roadside assistance in the unlikely event I get a puncture, I'll poke a fuzzy worm (tire plug) in the hole and use Cybertruck's on-board inflator to re-inflate the tire and continue on my way.

I've been in crazy wild places, all over the inland west of the USA, Canada, Mexico and, decades ago when we had tube-type bias-ply tires that were not as reliable as a modern radial, there were punctures, but I've never had one that couldn't be more easily repaired with a fuzzy worm (if only we had tubeless tires back then). Of course, back in the day, we didn't carry the fuzzy worms, we carried an entire replacement tire and wheel assembly, and a jack that could lift the entire vehicle, and a lug wrench. I wish we had radials and fuzzy worm kits, because after we got the flat, we would still have to repair the tire and then swap it once again for the spare. It could take half a day by the time all was said and done. A fuzzy worm repair takes 5 minutes!

Now, flats are quite rare and the fuzzy worms are super versatile at plugging air leaks on tubeless tires, and easier to use than a spare and a jack, particularly on such a large vehicle which requires a large heavy-duty jack,. Who wants to pack around over 100 lbs. of additional weight, everywhere the vehicle ever goes, just in case you get a flat tire that can't be plugged by a fuzzy worm?

It's well worth it to learn how to use the fuzzy worms effectively and it's a no-brainer with the Cybertruck's on-board air. Sometimes it's best to ditch traditional ways of dealing with flats and use first-principles thinking to fix it more easily and get on your way. As long as you can make it hold air, you don't need a spare and a jack. I'm amazed at the number of people who carry a spare tire and jack but not a plug kit and the knowledge to use it. A plug kit can deal with multiple flats. What if your front and rear tire runs over the same hazard and you only have one spare tire?

I really question the wisdom of those who carry an entire spare tire, jack, and lug wrench but no plug kit.

 

[cvalue13]

carrying a patch kit is good advice

put a patch kit shouldn't be used if:

• the puncture is near or >0.25" in diameter
• the puncture is a cut/gash
• the puncture isnt on on the tire tread, like the shoulder or sidewall

all reasons offroaders and overlanders might bother with a spare (or two!), and normal folks may have use for them

 

[JBee]

I don't plan to rely on roadside assistance in the unlikely event I get a puncture, I'll poke a fuzzy worm (tire plug) in the hole and use Cybertruck's on-board inflator to re-inflate the tire and continue on my way.

I've been in crazy wild places, all over the inland west of the USA, Canada, Mexico and, decades ago when we had tube-type bias-ply tires that were not as reliable as a modern radial, there were punctures, but I've never had one that couldn't be more easily repaired with a fuzzy worm (if only we had tubeless tires back then). Of course, back in the day, we didn't carry the fuzzy worms, we carried an entire replacement tire and wheel assembly, and a jack that could lift the entire vehicle, and a lug wrench. I wish we had radials and fuzzy worm kits, because after we got the flat, we would still have to repair the tire and then swap it once again for the spare. It could take half a day by the time all was said and done. A fuzzy worm repair takes 5 minutes!

Now, flats are quite rare and the fuzzy worms are super versatile at plugging air leaks on tubeless tires, and easier to use than a spare and a jack, particularly on such a large vehicle which requires a large heavy-duty jack,. Who wants to pack around over 100 lbs. of additional weight, everywhere the vehicle ever goes, just in case you get a flat tire that can't be plugged by a fuzzy worm?

It's well worth it to learn how to use the fuzzy worms effectively and it's a no-brainer with the Cybertruck's on-board air. Sometimes it's best to ditch traditional ways of dealing with flats and use first-principles thinking to fix it more easily and get on your way. As long as you can make it hold air, you don't need a spare and a jack. I'm amazed at the number of people who carry a spare tire and jack but not a plug kit and the knowledge to use it. A plug kit can deal with multiple flats. What if your front and rear tire runs over the same hazard and you only have one spare tire?

I really question the wisdom of those who carry an entire spare tire, jack, and lug wrench but no plug kit.

Lol, the first stop I made after picking up our RV for our trip from Chicago to LA in May, was to Autozone for a plug kit. I ended up carrying it all the way back home, nearly even got it through TSA by mistake. They let me check the bag instead. ?

Another good option are the self inflating tyre repair cans. Just before we left AU we actually picked up a sharp brass fitting from the local Home Depot (Bunnings here) which left us with a flat in the middle of a road construction zone on the freeway without a spare. Hooked up a can and drove home. End of story.

There's two things I take with for road trips, either a tyre puncture kit and cheapy air compressor or a tyre repair can or two if it's a larger tyre, and a toolkit with small ratchet set with screw bits, a pair of good locking pliers, and a torch. Gets me through 95% of issues on the road, and most things from other road users. I like tool rolls because you can put them under the seat, and you can see everything you have in one unroll.

But I've also had sidewalls ripped to shreads, and out here uncommon tyre sizes take days to ship, which is a little bit worse than an inconvenient truth. So if I know I want to get there a spare is what I need. Also doubles as a sand anchor for offroading, and is essential if you bash a rim rock climbing or crossing a creek.

 

[AlexD]

Yes, yes you are.

Your statements are declarative, based on no evidence, and misusing terms.


Do you even know what monocoque means?

And how would it be contrary to the word exoskeleton?


Have you ever seen such a spare (frail, not beefy) body in white? One that was always carried and stored in jigs?

How do you know that they're no longer needed to be structural?

This is why it's trolling.

-Crissa

Get a life Crissa.

 

[HaulingAss]

The Best Spare is NO SPARE_'Ford' YOU!
Then again, does CYBRTRK go all traditional, and surprise everybody here.
I don't know where you'd fit a full size 35".
What would Mad Max do(?)
Hell, he'd bolt that sucker straight to the body!

I always carry a spare steering arm too, in case I hit a rock funny and broke it and lost my steering.

 

[CyberGus]

I always carry a spare steering arm too, in case I hit a rock funny and broke it and lost my steering.

 

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'Rock Funny Spare'
Rock Paper Scissors.....(?)

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