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It would appeal to me to if the truck passenger area was really bulletproof to common 9mm handgun.

But even at 2019 Cybertruck unveil the "Tesla steel ball resistant armor" glass was NOT said to be bulletproof to common 9mm handgun and now the rumor is that the production Cybertruck will not even be "Tesla steel ball resistant armor" glass.
Couldn’t you lower your head and drive off? Hit the camera view and focus on the new front camera? I know I would like to think I wouldn’t just sit there, still, not driving, thinking “Dang, I wish they had made the glass ’bulletproof’!”.
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If you look at people sitting in the truck, not much below their head is exposed to glass.
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Couldn’t you lower your head and drive off? Hit the camera view and focus on the new front camera? I know I would like to think I wouldn’t just sit there, still, not driving, thinking “Dang, I wish they had made the glass ’bulletproof’!”.
Most carjacking is done right at side the car/truck.
The carjacker is so close that even if the driver ducks down the carjacker can look down into the interior of the car/truck and see all of the driver and shoot the driver through the glass and easily shoot the front passenger. This is why the window glass resistance is equally of importance.

On regular cars/pickups they pull on the door handles in case the driver/passenger did not lock the doors. The Cybertruck not having door handles might help driver/passenger safety.
Be careful with your Tesla settings, the car might be set to automatically unlock door when put into parked mode.

Also it looks like the Cybertruck in normal on-road/street mode the passengers will be lower to the ground than most Ford F-150 passengers.

Even if rifle or AK type gun is used the encounter is usually within couple feet of the car with carjacker trying to open the door. The carjacker aims at the window.

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Robber knocks on driver window with handgun and points gun at driver.

TESLA OWNER ACCIDENTALLY UNLOCKS DOOR WHILE BEING ROBBED
Oct 12 2023

WhamBam
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** Tesla carjacked

Armed Suspect Carjacks Tesla During High-Speed Chase
Two armed suspects tried to elude Florida police officers in a high-speed chase. The suspects performed dangerous maneuvers and at one point tried to carjack another vehicle but failed. Eventually, one of the suspects carjacks a man for his white Tesla. The carjacking victim, Dr. Emilien Cristea, immediately reached out to his wife on his Apple Watch who rushed to the scene.
Apr 21, 2023
Inside Edition

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Police helicopter video shows carjacker trying to carjack two different cars.

Video shows carjacking suspect eluding deputies in Merritt Island prior to shooting

Aerial video released by the Brevard County Sheriff’s Office shows what led up to a carjacking suspect being shot by a deputy Monday afternoon in the middle of a busy Merritt Island intersection
Mar 3, 2020
WKMG News 6 ClickOrlando

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** Man talking in first video is a witness NOT the carjacker/murderer.

Video shows carjacking by man suspected of fatally shooting Logan County deputy David Wade
Surveillance footage from a Coyle gas station shows the moments when a man accused of shooting and killing a Logan County deputy Tuesday dumped a truck and carjacked a woman.
Apr 18, 2017
KOCO 5 News

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Nathan LeForce arrested in connection with the deadly shooting of Logan County Deputy David Wade and carjacking.
Apr 18, 2017
KOCO 5 News

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CAUGHT ON CAMERA: Driver robbed while in San Francisco traffic near I-80 on-ramp
Feb 6, 2021
ABC7 News Bay Area

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"Stunned driver" is the key thing. Being aware of your surroundings and NOT panicking, your reaction time should get you gone before the carjacker can get off a shot. But you need to practice that level of awareness and mentally have a plan. Sounds like paranoia, but to an old motorcycle rider, its second nature after a while.
 

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Couldn’t you lower your head and drive off? Hit the camera view and focus on the new front camera? I know I would like to think I wouldn’t just sit there, still, not driving, thinking “Dang, I wish they had made the glass ’bulletproof’!”.
I mentioned this in the other thread.

For the side windows and midgate window it should be pretty simple to have a secondary window winder assembly inside the door that pops up another 3mm SS shield in front of the glass. Or a spring loaded system that can be activated by a foot pedal, just has to be faster than the perps trigger finger.

The biggest issue then is the windscreen, which could have something similar that pops out from under the frunk hood, or another bullet proof vault cover that goes across. That leaves the roof, which means you need to buy my solar camper cap design. :)

The same foot pedal activates the camera view onscreen and starts recording, as well as notifies police nearby. Wham bam no shooting me in Tesla cam anymore! ;)
 

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? Gotta love Sia, but no. If this is going to be advertised all of the gun nuts are going to come out of the woodwork and try to prove that their gun can penetrate the cabin (insert dick jokes here). I’m pretty sure CyberTruck owners don’t want to be shot at on a regular basis. They should have kept this on the DL and let it be a secret feature.
 


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There's nobody in the truck. To what 'people in it' are you referring?
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(Tesla Owners Silicon Valley)

Elon said it was bulletproof in the 2019 reveal. He had to explain again to Jay Leno that it was Bad Ass and Super Cool. Elon kept those strengths in the redesigned Cybertruck. Very encouraging!

Can't wait the see the glass demo!

- ÆCIII
I am hoping bullet proof was a result of the thicker steel needed to actually have some form of exoskeleton skin and not specifically thicker steel just to be bullet proof. I would hate to think I am carrying around hundreds of pounds of steel all the time that was wasted until the very unlikely day came that I was shot at
 

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I am hoping bullet proof was a result of the thicker steel needed to actually have some form of exoskeleton skin and not specifically thicker steel just to be bullet proof. I would hate to think I am carrying around hundreds of pounds of steel all the time that was wasted until the very unlikely day came that I was shot at
It's not just about 'getting shot at', but that example was used because it was effective demonstration of Strength. Many other ways to demonstrate it, including Franz's hammer. It's really also assurance that protection will be provided for a variety of impacts, crashes, or even accidental (or attempted) door dings.

If you think the strength is 'wasteful', then there are plenty of other vehicle options for you with lighter body panels.

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It's not just about 'getting shot at', but that example was used because it was effective demonstration of Strength. Many other ways to demonstrate it, including Franz's hammer. It's really also assurance that protection will be provided for a variety of impacts, crashes, or even accidental (or attempted) door dings.

If you think the strength is 'wasteful', then there are plenty of other vehicle options for you with lighter body panels.

- ÆCIII
Nice try at putting words in my mouth. If the thickness of steel was selected specifically for its bullet proof ability and it does not contribute to the vehicle strength in a meaningful way its useless and they could have gone with 1mm stainless and reinforced it in a lighter manner for strength. Thicker plates are a very ineffective way to strengthen something and that definitely wouldn’t be teslas approach. They will try to exploit any feature or material they can.

I do believe they 3mm stainless is much less likely to dent in most basic door ding situations and much more likely to have difficult scratches. In most crashes the stainless is going to prove much much more costly to repair.
 

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Nice try at putting words in my mouth. If the thickness of steel was selected specifically for its bullet proof ability and it does not contribute to the vehicle strength in a meaningful way its useless and they could have gone with 1mm stainless and reinforced it in a lighter manner for strength. Thicker plates are a very ineffective way to strengthen something and that definitely wouldn’t be teslas approach. They will try to exploit any feature or material they can.

I do believe they 3mm stainless is much less likely to dent in most basic door ding situations and much more likely to have difficult scratches. In most crashes the stainless is going to prove much much more costly to repair.
What 'words'? You don't have to get it. You don't need to rationalize any of your speculative design aspects to us, because we didn't make those decisions, Tesla did. If you have issues with their design decisions, take it up with Tesla or buy something else.

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What 'words'? You don't have to get it. You don't need to rationalize any your speculative design aspects to us, because we didn't make those decisions, Tesla did. If you have issues with their design decisions, take it up with Tesla or buy something else.

- ÆCIII
You insinuated that i think strength is wasteful. You were referring originally to the bulletproofing being a strength that tesla was looking to maintain. I argued that i am hoping bulletproofing was a byproduct of the strength needed for the structural design and not actually a goal of the design as it would be counter to Teslas mission statement and possibly add uneccessary weight to a vehicle. 99.99999% of people have not and will not need a bulletproof vehicle.
 


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You insinuated that i think strength is wasteful. You were referring originally to the bulletproofing being a strength that tesla was looking to maintain. I argued that i am hoping bulletproofing was a byproduct of the strength needed for the structural design and not actually a goal of the design as it would be counter to Teslas mission statement and possibly add uneccessary weight to a vehicle. 99.99999% of people have not and will not need a bulletproof vehicle.
Why speculate at all???

If you are so worried about possible reasons or mindsets that Tesla had during the design, then why don't you ask them? The design is done, with major benefits. Not every design will be optimal for every single situation, but this is what it is. I would say choose based on what design strengths are what you believe are best for you.

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Most carjacking is done right at side the car/truck.
The carjacker is so close that even if the driver ducks down the carjacker can look down into the interior of the car/truck and see all of the driver and shoot the driver through the glass and easily shoot the front passenger. This is why the window glass resistance is equally of importance.

On regular cars/pickups they pull on the door handles in case the driver/passenger did not lock the doors. The Cybertruck not having door handles might help driver/passenger safety.
Be careful with your Tesla settings, the car might be set to automatically unlock door when put into parked mode.

Also it looks like the Cybertruck in normal on-road/street mode the passengers will be lower to the ground than most Ford F-150 passengers.

Even if rifle or AK type gun is used the encounter is usually within couple feet of the car with carjacker trying to open the door. The carjacker aims at the window.

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Robber knocks on driver window with handgun and points gun at driver.

TESLA OWNER ACCIDENTALLY UNLOCKS DOOR WHILE BEING ROBBED
Oct 12 2023

WhamBam
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** Tesla carjacked

Armed Suspect Carjacks Tesla During High-Speed Chase
Two armed suspects tried to elude Florida police officers in a high-speed chase. The suspects performed dangerous maneuvers and at one point tried to carjack another vehicle but failed. Eventually, one of the suspects carjacks a man for his white Tesla. The carjacking victim, Dr. Emilien Cristea, immediately reached out to his wife on his Apple Watch who rushed to the scene.
Apr 21, 2023
Inside Edition

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Police helicopter video shows carjacker trying to carjack two different cars.

Video shows carjacking suspect eluding deputies in Merritt Island prior to shooting

Aerial video released by the Brevard County Sheriff’s Office shows what led up to a carjacking suspect being shot by a deputy Monday afternoon in the middle of a busy Merritt Island intersection
Mar 3, 2020
WKMG News 6 ClickOrlando

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** Man talking in first video is a witness NOT the carjacker/murderer.

Video shows carjacking by man suspected of fatally shooting Logan County deputy David Wade
Surveillance footage from a Coyle gas station shows the moments when a man accused of shooting and killing a Logan County deputy Tuesday dumped a truck and carjacked a woman.
Apr 18, 2017
KOCO 5 News

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Nathan LeForce arrested in connection with the deadly shooting of Logan County Deputy David Wade and carjacking.
Apr 18, 2017
KOCO 5 News

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CAUGHT ON CAMERA: Driver robbed while in San Francisco traffic near I-80 on-ramp
Feb 6, 2021
ABC7 News Bay Area

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A lot of this comes down to situational awareness.

Most don't, but some of us do train to be extremely hard targets. You approach my window quickly and I can't see your hands, you will be looking down the barrel of a pistol. I actually keep mine in a holster right by my right thigh that I can draw from rather immediately.

I might get shot, but I will get shot in a gunfight, not as a defenseless victim.
And I'll take my chances is the cybertruck over a fucking F-150 with shitty thin aluminum... thank you.
 

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I do believe they 3mm stainless is much less likely to dent in most basic door ding situations and much more likely to have difficult scratches. In most crashes the stainless is going to prove much much more costly to repair.
Have you ever tried to put a deep scratch in stainless steel rolled to ultra-hard condition?

Paint is what is soft, vinyl wrap is soft, mild steel is soft, primer and zinc coatings are soft, cold-rolled stainless steel is going to be very hard and scratch resistant. Shallow scratches will polish right out, and without having to repaint and blend the paint over a large area.

A major reason why bodywork is so expensive is because blending the paint to match over a large area is so expensive. Cybertruck will not need a trip to a paintshop after the repair is completed.

Another factor to consider is that a deep scratch or gouge in a regular truck needs to be repaired or it will rust and look 4X as ugly. A Cybertruck owner could chose to just leave the gouge as a beauty mark or as a reminder of that awesome experience four-wheeling when they took on some challenges above their abilities (and hopefully not when their soon to be ex-wife chipped her diamond ring by running it down the side of your truck in a squiggly pattern ? ).
 
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And I'll take my chances is the cybertruck over a fucking F-150 with shitty thin aluminum... thank you.
My 2010 F-150 has shitty thin steel that a pellet air rifle can easily penetrate. The aluminum used in newer F-150s is actually pretty hard stuff. Not that it would stop a handgun, not even close, but it would be more difficult to penetrate with an air rifle than the steel used on my older F-150. And, if it was penetrated, it wouldn't rust.
 

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Imagine, if you would, a situation where someone is on trial for murder in a road rage incident and their defense is "I thought it was bulletproof because I saw it in a picture once. I just wanted to scare them." Does that really sound so far-fetched to you?

Sure, having a bulletproof car is nice and all - and I'll be happy to ride around in it. For me, the unnecessary part is broadcasting it to the world and inviting people to see how bulletproof it actually is. Same thing with those stupid ball bearings back in 2019.
While I agree to some extent that it is unfortunate that there are crazies in the world, there was never going to be any hiding the fact that the CT outer skin is 3 mm Ultrahard stainless steel. The media try everything, YouTubers intentionally pretend to be asleep in the back of Teslas self driving down the highway. There are so many scenarios that lead to the same place. I am grateful that the CT is made strong and, although Elon likes to have fun in these ways, he makes his point. If I have a choice between driving a car on 880 through Oakland that has been demonstrated to be able to take a bullet, and any other car on the market, I’ll take the CT.
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