Musk talks Cybertruck specs (0-60, vehicle weight) & production volume on Joe Rogan podcast interview (10/31/23)

[TheLastStarfighter]

I hate being that guy but I'm hardwired to point out it is "moot" point, not mute point.

I think you mean a moo point.

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[anionic1]

It was disappointing that Musk brushed off battery/range concerns as being a non issue when they will be a very real issue for anyone towing/hauling with their CT.

If that is the part where Rogan was pushing him about battery technology improvements I think musk was intentionally saying, "dont miss the point". Its like asking can we keep chasing a higher octane fuel. Well yes, but is the effort really worth it for mass vehicular application. No, for the masses, we have reached a scalable energy density/chemistry that works. And really with most people being able to charge at home or through charging networks, for 95% of people the EV range and weight and performance just works great as is. So really he was answering the question in a more intelligent way and saying we don't need to wait around or put a ton of energy towards better battery tech because it works. 87-89 octane works great for 99% of applications. We will likely see energy density and safety improvements when other battery tech advances but its not necessary to meet the needs today.

He has the same necessary approach in his rocket building. people ask can you refine starship. well, yes, it could be carbon fiber and the fins could be better and lighter etc. but that will come with time and possibly not even be necessary as they learn and improve other aspects. so they dont get bogged down by micro refinements where its not really necessary and they perfect the big picture and if its successful and sustains then they implement the micro refinements.

 

[IronStation]

Didn't Panasonic say they were scaling back 2170 domestic (Japanese market) batteries?

They did and increasing investment in US manufacturing. I believe it was the 18650 but to your point it is domestic investment and production that is scaling back.

 

[Amuma]

ummmm. I think he was saying that any vehicle can add static bullet proof windows. Or he was saying that it's theoretically possible. I dont think he was saying that tesla will be doing that

Not public, government. Just like govt work with other manufacturers for custom work. Not available to public. Didn't think I had to be so specific for you smart people.

 

[Gurule92]

Not public, government. Just like govt work with other manufacturers for custom work. Not available to public. Didn't think I had to be so specific for you smart people.

I don't think he was saying that either tbh.

I'm sure I don't have to explain to you that the CT body isn't stopping any sort of real assault rifle or armor piercing round. So I don't think govt would benefit either.

Not without major modifications.

No one will be targeting the military with tommy guns

Also, I didn't say public lol

 

[Gurule92]

I think you mean a moo point.

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[Tinker71]

I think you will be getting this much sooner then you think.
There are going to be a large number of reservations which drop ahead of you

1) Duplicates (some people purchased several reservations with the intention to only keep one)
2) People/scalpers who bought multiple to resell. Tesla sniffs some of these out and cancels their orders
3) People Unable to secure car loans
4) People Unable to sell their existing vehicle/ pay off existing loan or sell it for enough . ( the used car market is collapsing)

So be ready ...

We think there is around 2 million total reservations, but didn't Elon say over 1 million. I think they have already filtered out many of the duplicates and who they think will drop out. 1 million is still a big number. Some people might not cancel their reservations, but pass on the first offering. It will be interesting how Tesla manages the list.

 

[TyPope]

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[PilotPete]

We think there is around 2 million total reservations, but didn't Elon say over 1 million. I think they have already filtered out many of the duplicates and who they think will drop out. 1 million is still a big number. Some people might not cancel their reservations, but pass on the first offering. It will be interesting how Tesla manages the list.

Oh, the games we can play with numbers...

"We" count the reservations as individual numbers. Tesla has the option to use individual entities as the "reservations". So what? Well, if there are those that get their reservations cancelled or they drop out because they were scalpers, this impacts the "conversion percentage" differently. If one entity has 9 reservations, and another has 1, and the first guy drops all of his, we might see it as a "10% conversion" to sales. If you only count entities, then you have a "50% conversion" to sales. And when we look at it that way, it truly makes more sense from a corporate view of future sales. We just want to know how fast we are or aren't going to move up with line. So different goals lead to different calculations with different numbers.

 

[canyoncarver]

Oh, the games we can play with numbers...

"We" count the reservations as individual numbers. Tesla has the option to use individual entities as the "reservations". So what? Well, if there are those that get their reservations cancelled or they drop out because they were scalpers, this impacts the "conversion percentage" differently. If one entity has 9 reservations, and another has 1, and the first guy drops all of his, we might see it as a "10% conversion" to sales. If you only count entities, then you have a "50% conversion" to sales. And when we look at it that way, it truly makes more sense from a corporate view of future sales. We just want to know how fast we are or aren't going to move up with line. So different goals lead to different calculations with different numbers.

If the price is $75,000 for the first year I expect less than 25% of orders to complete.

Very possibly they will just start asking for non refundable deposits in large order blocks and just skipping the ones that aren't willing to put a few thousand dollars down on a truck they will get in 6-12 months.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

We think there is around 2 million total reservations, but didn't Elon say over 1 million. I think they have already filtered out many of the duplicates and who they think will drop out. 1 million is still a big number. Some people might not cancel their reservations, but pass on the first offering. It will be interesting how Tesla manages the list.

I do belive that many people who placed reservations have already cancelled, maybe they went Rivian, F150, another EV or Ice vehicle. Four years is a long time for people to wait . Only Tesla can tell us how many have cancelled and that is not likely to happen.

We should get some insite as soon as people start getting a delivery estimate and we compare it to their place in line vs the amount delivered/produced.

 

[Jethro]

Driving north on i280 yesterday in my Model Y someone threw a pebble/rock and it cracked my windshield (about 10" long). This is the second time inside a year that I will have to replace the windshield. NOT happy with the Tesla glass as in the previous 40 years of driving around the U.S. I have never had a windshield crack. So yes, I hope that the Cybertruck glass is one helluva lot more impact resistant that what is on my Model Y.

That sucks to be sure! I have a Colorado windsheild and have replaced nearly a dozen in 30 years…a new one stays undated for almost 6 months. My 2 year old MYP has yet to be damaged (fingers crossed)!

 

[Jethro]

I do belive that many people who placed reservations have already cancelled, maybe they went Rivian, F150, another EV or Ice vehicle. Four years is a long time for people to wait . Only Tesla can tell us how many have cancelled and that is not likely to happen.

We should get some insite as soon as people start getting a delivery estimate and we compare it to their place in line vs the amount delivered/produced.

Why cancel…it’s only. $100 and you might be able to sell it, no?

 

[Jethro]

The unveiling was for the tri-motor trim. You are welcome to call it the performance version of the dual-motor trim if you wish but the rest of the world still sees the 2.9 0-60 as associated with the tri-motor trim. Along with the 500-mile range I might add. Not having either would be considered another trim altogether, let alone a failure to deliver on their claims. Personally I do not care about 2.9 0-60 because that is an insane acceleration in my book, but I was not the one who made the claims.

I get you…more than I need for daily driving, but towing is another issue for me. I like to keep 0-60 around 5 seconds when pulling a 6K trailer. Is this linear math?….like 3 seconds for 7k and 6 seconds for 14K??

 

[FutureBoy]

What ever you call it, 6000-7000 is heavy for a daily driver. Most users will not need the payload capacity or bullet resistance or 500 miles range yet we are all paying a weight penalty every day.

This hurts off road performance, total efficiency and tire costs.

(5) 200 lbs men plus 1500 lbs. of gear/trailer hitch capacity would be plenty. Trailers are easier to load and handle weight better IMHO. I would like the truck to weight 5500 lbs or less.

This is a mute point because the weight is fixed at this point. Just saying.

For all those who don’t see the SS skin as part of the “skeleton”, one could replace all the factory SS with a much thinner skin to save weight and add range.

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