Musk talks Cybertruck specs (0-60, vehicle weight) & production volume on Joe Rogan podcast interview (10/31/23)

[cvalue13]

He said you can get bulletproof glass as an option - but would be fixed windiw

that said, there is an interpretation that the comment was not scour a factory option but aftermarket

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[Deleted member 17810]

He said you can get bulletproof glass as an option - but would be fixed windiw

that said, there is an interpretation that the comment was not scour a factory option but aftermarket

when joe said "it's an option?" he backtracked and said everything is optional

oops!


Although, car companies DO work with armoring companies for high profile individual so this will probably be no different.

 

[IJNYamato]

If we assume a 500 mile tri motor is possible with 2376 cell (~208kWh usable ~2440lbs)

That’s a lot of cells. Ooof. I bet Tesla would rather build more trucks than use cell supply for larger packs.

 

[FutureBoy]

I would interpret this as the glass will not stop a bullet, the same way the stainless steel panels did on the Tomi gun test

I don’t think the glass was ever promised to be bulletproof, but I may be wrong

Bulletproof glass wasn't promised. Super tough glass that could bounce off a large metal ball bearing (nothing like a bullet) was attempted to be shown but the glass failed the public demonstration.

For bulletproof, I can imagine the glass being a sandwich of 2 glass panes with ~1" polycarbonate in the middle. This would be crazy for the front windshield though and probably difficult to drive given the way the light would bend. And the center cameras inside the cabin looking through the "glass"? Not sure what would happen there.

Anyway, I generally don't feel the need for serious tank level safety so I'm not going to worry about it. Well, unless the zombie apocalypse starts. Then I might wish I'd bought a seriously bullet proof CT.

 

[cvalue13]

when joe said "it's an option?" he backtracked and said everything is optional

oops!


Although, car companies DO work with armoring companies for high profile individual so this will probably be no different.

yeah agree, it permits of two very different interpretations (and I'll not side with one)

Rogan: the only thing that's not bulletproof is the glass​

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Musk: the glass is optionally bulletproof​

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Rogan: oh it is optional?​

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Musk: if you want it ... well you can make anything bulletproof it you want it ... but the glass has to be very thick, for it to be bulletproof, uhm, so it can't go up and down, so if you want fixed glass​

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Rogan: ahh ... then how do you order drive-through​

Musk: yeah, exactly ... it's a little awkward ... but it's ok you just duck. A duck, where?! [joke - rimshot]

 

[cvalue13]

For bulletproof, I can imagine the glass being a sandwich of 2 glass panes with ~1" polycarbonate in the middle. This would be crazy for the front windshield though and probably difficult to drive given the way the light would bend. And the center cameras inside the cabin looking through the "glass"? Not sure what would happen there.

the cameras require optical glass

unaware of such truly armored glass that has the requisite optical characteristics

 

[newwave1331]

That’s a lot of cells. Ooof. I bet Tesla would rather build more trucks than use cell supply for larger packs.

I'm not entirely convinced 4680 production rate will be bottleneck. I've thrown some cybertruck production curves around based on Elon's Q3 comments and it seems slower than what is publicly being discussed for 4680. Not sure how yields are going on the cybercell or if production rates reset due to them changing the line over to the gen2 cell.

1000 lb difference can only be described (IMO) by ~70 lbs for tri motor vs dual and the rest on battery pack.

 

[cvalue13]

1000 lb difference can only be described (IMO) by ~70 lbs for tri motor vs dual and the rest on battery pack.

you're i think confusing options with truck weight

premium wheels, etc., and lots of other goodies can add up to 1000lbs quickly

 

[Deleted member 17810]

The midgate motor and hinge are probably good for 100 lbs.

 

[FutureBoy]

the cameras require optical glass

unaware of such truly armored glass that has the requisite optical characteristics

Prescription safety glasses (at least when I was wearing them) were often made with polycarbonate lenses. If FSD works like human eyesight, then polycarbonate should work in principle. In practice though, no one has 1" think glasses. And combined with an actual glass sandwich, I'm not sure humans would be able to see very well with their own eyes anyway. The distortions would probably be difficult to manage. On the other hand, FSD could probably be trained for that exact situation if there was enough data to work with.

 

[cvalue13]

when talking about 0-60, being below 3 seconds, he's talking about the 'performance' version

Rogan: 3.5 seconds?

Musk: we're aiming to get the 0-60 below 3 seconds

Rogan: below 3?

Musk: yeah. for the, you know, the beat mode version. so we've got a beast mode version. well I don't want to give it all away. there are thre demonstrations, one of which people are aware of, which is uh, you know, emptying a Tommy gun into the side of a car, uhm, a shotgun, a .45, and a none-mil, and no penetrations.

Rogan: wow.

Musk: and it's, it comes that way from the factory.

 

[scottf200]

I'm not entirely convinced 4680 production rate will be bottleneck. I've thrown some cybertruck production curves around based on Elon's Q3 comments and it seems slower than what is publicly being discussed for 4680. Not sure how yields are going on the cybercell or if production rates reset due to them changing the line over to the gen2 cell.

1000 lb difference can only be described (IMO) by ~70 lbs for tri motor vs dual and the rest on battery pack.

Potential good new from 10/26/2023 article:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Cyber...-factory-boost-by-LG-in-Arizona.762518.0.html

Title: Cybertruck production ramp gets a 4680 battery factory boost by LG in Arizona
Elon Musk is of the opinion that the Cybertruck production ramp in meaningful quantitates will take 18 months and LG 4680 batteries will come to the rescue just in time. LG announced that it will launch 4680 battery production in Arizona.
Daniel Zlatev, Published 10/26/2023

Instead of helping Tesla and its other electric vehicle maker customers with 2170 type batteries, as originally planned, LG will use its Arizona factory expansion plans to make 4680 batteries of the type Tesla uses for the Model Y or the upcoming Cybertruck.​

The announcement came during LG Energy Solution's Q3 results release and LG says it changed tack because it envisions much larger future demand for 4680 batteries than the 2170 cells Tesla still uses for the Model Y and Model 3.​

"To pre-emptively respond to market demands for 46-Series, the company modified its original plan for the facility, which was to produce 2170 cells at an annual production capacity of 27GWh, and instead will produce 46-Series at an expanded annual capacity of 36GWh," informed LG.​

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Noting that the glass is not 'bulletproof' is really just a disclaimer IMO, as there are so many kinds of munitions, piercing tips to concentrate impact, and the weight in grains. So it would be extremely difficult to make 'bulletproof' glass these days, as evidenced by how thick the glass is on the 'beast' limousine or in bank teller windows, convenience stores, etc.

I'm still hoping the glass is very strong and will be able to endure an impressive demo at some point.

- ÆCIII

Driving north on i280 yesterday in my Model Y someone threw a pebble/rock and it cracked my windshield (about 10" long). This is the second time inside a year that I will have to replace the windshield. NOT happy with the Tesla glass as in the previous 40 years of driving around the U.S. I have never had a windshield crack. So yes, I hope that the Cybertruck glass is one helluva lot more impact resistant that what is on my Model Y.

 

[kbolt]

Link to the podcast:

Details from Elon Musk:

Tesla is aiming to make 200,000 Cybertrucks per year at volume production, maybe more.​

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Cybertruck weighs up to 7,000 lbs, depending on the trim.​

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Working to get 0-60mph in under 3.0s for the Beast Mode version.​

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Tesla will release video of Cybertruck bullet test.​

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Glass is not bulletproof​

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Video of the arrow being shot at Cybertruck:

90 lbs compound bow that shoots 520 grain arrows at 300 ft/second with a razor sharp broad head.

 

[newwave1331]

you're i think confusing options with truck weight

premium wheels, etc., and lots of other goodies can add up to 1000lbs quickly

Good point! I'm also assuming the same coefficient of rolling resistance for both models (~10% higher than model X with 20"). I tried to calculate a number for motor/inverter efficiency and gear box efficiency from the model x dm and tri then apply them to the cyber truck.

We know payload isnt hitting 3500 with the GVWR <9k and <10k. If we think the GCWR will be <16k and <20k GCWR, then we could miss on the 10k and 14k towing but come very close.

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