123 kWh battery pack on Cybertruck (reported)

[scottf200]

Thanks for the image and comment.

It’s interesting that in that route, you would get 3 supercharger locations in between austin and houston. Thats a supercharger every 50-60 miles. On a 240 usable range vehicle, that’s one supercharger for every 20% of your cars usable range….

Ideally you charge from 10%-20% tho for the fastest recharge.
You would be foolish to charge every 50 miles and waste more time.

Very quick example using ABRP for the round trip in my old/slower '17 X 100D with ~270 range
that charges once from 16% to 71%.
[I don't know why diff roads on the way to and back but that doesn't matter for the point.]

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[Bkb13]

Agreed. I didn’t mean to imply someone needs to charge every 50 miles. My point was that charger availability every 50 miles isn’t good enough…

Ideally you charge from 10%-20% tho for the fastest recharge.
You would be foolish to charge every 50 miles and waste more time.

Very quick example using ABRP for the round trip in my old/slower '17 X 100D with ~270 range
that charges once from 16% to 71%.
[I don't know why diff roads on the way to and back but that doesn't matter for the point.]

 

[SpaceYooper]

...under the rear seat space is a very popular feature of owning a truck.

So is having 500+ miles of non-towing range. Having a 500 mile EV truck with 400-450 miles of usable range is already a compromise for those of us used to having more range then that. I'm still on the 500 or bust wagon and I'll continue to wait for the full size EV truck that can provide it at a price that makes sense.

 

[HaulingAss]

It is both the cost, and the availability of 4680 cells.
Plus I am not sure how much room they will have under the truck to stuff in that many extra batteries.

I think Rivian had to confiscate space under the rear seat to fit their batteries in on their long range version. And under the rear seat space is a very popular feature of owning a truck.

No, the X-Long-Range Rivian has the same battery pack configuration as the Long Range, it just uses a higher capacity cell.

 

[HaulingAss]

If there were superchargers built out every 20 miles like gas stations exist today I may change my opinion.

That's what I'm hearing people saying. As chargers become more ubiquitous (and as fast as the current state-of-the-art), a range beyond 300+ miles adds increasing little advantage.

 

[Bkb13]

That's what I'm hearing people saying. As chargers become more ubiquitous (and as fast as the current state-of-the-art), a range beyond 300+ miles adds increasing little advantage.

The advantage is convenience. In my entire quote, I wrote that I would still choose a 400 mile usable range vehicle over a 240 mile usable range even if they were able to build out that charger network.

We are probably 10-20 years away from having charger network to gas station parity so it’s a silly point to stand on. It does NOT exist, so give me range!

 

[intimidator]

No, the X-Long-Range Rivian has the same battery pack configuration as the Long Range, it just uses a higher capacity cell.

I am going with my prediction that the Cybertruck will not be available to buyers/customers with a range of 500 miles in 2023, 2024 or 2025.

 

[Dusty]

It's so hard to gauge what range is best when making a product for a wide range of users.

I my dream lineup would be 3 mileage ranges to pick from with 2 motor choices. The battery pack is adjusted for the three ranges. A short range 270 miles, mid-range of 350 miles (even while driving like your face is on fire), and a top tier of 400+ "range-master" variant.

Then have a basic power spec, and a maximum power spec. Performance traits are based on battery pack selection.

Then you can mix-match for what you want. Hyper mile basic motor with max range battery. Max power motor with battery weight for speed off-road balance. Max motor power with as many batteries as they can fit in it (priced to match). Super-light with power motors and small battery. Whatever trade-off works best for you.

But as we all know, that all adds to the cost of the vehicle lineup as a whole.

I don't know... I'm just thinking out loud.

 

[davidngo44]

no kink-shaming

just so frustrated they are not allow us just touch the cybertruck. lol

 

[ldjessee]

The advantage is convenience. In my entire quote, I wrote that I would still choose a 400 mile usable range vehicle over a 240 mile usable range even if they were able to build out that charger network.

Convenience is not cheap.

Think of the markup at a convenience store compared to a grocery store.
There are places I have driven that there is 80-90 miles between gas stations.

If you can charge at home, why wouldn't you? Wouldn't that be the most convenient?

If I forget to charge my car or phone, I have to deal with the consequences, so it makes me make sure that both are charged as needed.

Charging them both while I am sleeping and not using either is the most convenient for me...

But, as they say, YMMV.

 

[Bkb13]

Convenience is not cheap.

Agreed.

Back to my original point. People want different things. I want 500 miles and the best performance. It’s the same reason I bought a raptor and not a standard f150…

 

[Crissa]

The advantage is convenience. In my entire quote, I wrote that I would still choose a 400 mile usable range vehicle over a 240 mile usable range even if they were able to build out that charger network.

We are probably 10-20 years away from having charger network to gas station parity so it’s a silly point to stand on. It does NOT exist, so give me range!

You're going to have to be willing to pay twice as much for that vehicle with twice as much battery.

Ten years away? In ten years you're going to have trouble finding gas.

-Crissa

 

[BenH]

There are way too many people in this board going through mental gymnastics to convince everyone else that 300 miles of range is “all you need”. I’m starting to believe you work for Tesla and are trying to push an agenda . Can you just stop preaching, and understand that we’ve got different needs.

1. Usable range for a 500 mile version is 400 miles. That means I can drive to Houston from Austin and potentially make it back to Austin without recharging. I do this in my Raptor with 400 miles of range every few weeks. If I had a 300 mile version I would get 240 miles usable and would have to stop once and add 20 minutes to that trip. I’ve done this in my model Y and it’s comparatively very inconvenient.

2. Range anxiety is real. I don’t like having to plan out trips with my model y. I prefer not to take it on long distance trips because of that. If there were superchargers built out every 20 miles like gas stations exist today I may change my opinion. But that’s not the case. There is less pressure with a 500 mile version to plan your exact route and charging stops. According to plugshare there are only 2 superchargers on highway 290 in between houston and austin, but I bet there are 100 gas stations…

3. 400 usable miles provides some redundancy in case I forget to recharge at home since the supercharger network around my house is not very good yet. 240 usable miles means that I have to drive 15-25 minutes out of my way to charge up if I don’t have enough range for the day. I have a gas station within 5 minutes in any direction of my house. So using a supercharger from my home isn’t very convenient if I forget to plug in.

4. Recharging 100 miles on a 500 mile range vehicle should be considerably faster than 100 miles on a 300 mile range vehicle. So when I do have to recharge on my trips to houston or dallas, it will be much easier…

My use case isn’t towing. It’s driving long distances and convenience. I will pay the extra $$$ to make my life easier.

Y’all talk about 800 volt architecture and fast charging all you want, but it doesn’t mean a lot to me until the supercharger density improves dramatically. And even then, I would choose a 400 mile usable range like my raptor over another shorter range vehicle.

agree 100%

 

[Bkb13]

You're going to have to be willing to pay twice as much for that vehicle with twice as much battery.

Ten years away? In ten years you're going to have trouble finding gas.

-Crissa

The original Tri motor with 500 miles of range was 40% more than the dual with 300 miles of range. What makes you think it will now be a 100% pricing difference?

 

[Tinker71]

Spot on. Anybody think the Tesla accessories team will reveal a powered trailer or back pack battery in the works?

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