I'm still getting my Foundation Series, but I can't help but feel bitter...

[msl0727]

Ya know, I'm sitting here and honestly laughing (ok, more like a really big smirk). EVERY naysayer points to the "loss in range". I didn't realize so many people had reserved the original tri-motor! There has been NO LOSS OF RANGE for the dual/AWD version, rather, it has a RANGE INCREASE over the 2019 targets. But nobody mentions that fact. Everyone wants to cry and wail about the "loss of range" that only occurred on one model.

So no, the F150's gas tank didn't shrink by 30%. It also didn't grow by 10% either.

Haters gonna hate...

What’s funny is your truck got diminished all over in order to give you that figure after years of delays/advancements with a request for significantly more money, and you’re smiley no matter what’s delivered for what. They could have produced the exact same truck with today’s tech and it should have been more. They cut into their promise to deliver you something less for more. You’re so blinded it’s sad. This is coming from me a Tesla investor, owner, buyer, and supporter. Don’t be a sheep.

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[msl0727]

Geez…you want some cheese with your whine??

Next year $69K will be worth nearly $90K in 2019 dollars plus you are getting steer by wire, 4WS, 48 volt architecture, ethernet communications, better acceleration, dynamic suspension, etc.

You said “but getting less of a truck for nearly double the original price”. TOTALLY WRONG!
I know you’re from Texas, but you gotta do some MATH!

Go ahead…drop of the list!

Lol I said nearly double. What was 69k before now costs $120k for yes less physically and spec wise. But don’t worry about to get the beast.

p.s. yes please I love cheese

 

[PilotPete]

What’s funny is your truck got diminished all over in order to give you that figure after years of delays/advancements with a request for significantly more money, and you’re smiley no matter what’s delivered for what. They could have produced the exact same truck with today’s tech and it should have been more. They cut into their promise to deliver you something less for more. You’re so blinded it’s sad. This is coming from me a Tesla investor, owner, buyer, and supporter. Don’t be a sheep.

First, this ain't "my truck". I don't own a CT, nor any truck, nor any Tesla. Second, I ain't "all smiley", and I'm very critical of what is delivered. Just because I don't believe the sky is falling and I try to be objective and realistic in my view of the CT, also doesn't make me a sheep. My eyes are WIDE open amigo. I've said many many times on here, for my mission use, the CT's greatest competition is NOT another truck, it's the MS and the new M3+.

What's funny is your truck got a ton of new and unique features that you appear to refuse to acknowledge.

"They cut into their promise to deliver you..." Here is the first problem. They didn't "promise" ANYTHING! I work with new prototypes and new products all the time with my work. If you were in that space, you would know those are "targets" for the production model. Watch the 2019 video again, see if they EVER use the word "promise". And for the AWD, they have EXCEEDED their 300 mile range target. But no one on here ever mentions that., they only whine about the "30% reduction" in range. It's faster than all of their targets, but no one has the huevos to mention that. The suspension goes higher than the original target. The width is EXACTLY what they said it would be in the targets. The capabilities of the HFS are the same or better than the targets. And with the range extender, you can get 94% of the way to the magic 500 miles on the AWD Dual motor, which was NEVER an advertised target. SbW, 4WS, 48V LV system, High bandwidth internal network, front cam, 110v outlets in the cab, 110/220v outlets in the bed, V2H capabilities, ANC, etc, ALL are features that didn't even HAVE a target value in 2019. BUT the naysayers continue to whine like a spoiled 2 year old over the cost and the lost range (of one single model). If the price bothers you, then just wait. Just like the weather in Anchorage, it will change quickly, once production starts to ramp. That has been true with EVERY single model they have built.

I have been a BEV and Tesla detractor for a long time. Finally, I started looking at it objectively. I'm not talking about any of the political or environmental issues, just a straight up car v car comparison. I probably put a higher value on innovation and outside the box thinking and design than most. But that is what fuels progress. And I love progress. I love pushing the envelope. I've come to appreciate the BEV for the advantages it has, and Tesla for their innovation.

I went and saw the CT last month as soon as it showed up in San Diego. I walked out of the store LESS enthused than when I walked in. I told my friends "I'm not sure this is the right one for me." I considered cancelling my reservation. But I withheld judgement until the unveil/delivery. The details at the presentation weren't 100% convincing either. But the more I do my homework and the more that is released, the more impressive it is becoming. I am more interested in the "Cyber" than the "Truck" parts. But there are those, and you may or may not be one, who just seem butt-hurt and overly emotional in their disdain for the current situation. And there are those here that are obviously only here to troll and hate. So I'll suggest that you take your own advice, open your eyes to ALL the information. I understand that there was a small percentage of peeps that wanted a 500 mile truck to do "truck things", or that NEEDED 3500# of payload, or 14k# of towing, or a $50-60k truck. And those targets haven't been hit (yet). I think the range will get there, I think the price will get there. I don't know about payload and towing, but I suspect we will find out soon if the numbers are artificially low for some bureaucratic reason. If you are still out of sorts over something and are unwilling to accept that things will change (as they have for EVERY single model, range and price both) then you go do you. Just don't be surprised that there are people who objectively think otherwise, with their eyes wide open. And don't be surprised that some people think the sky isn't actually falling.

 

[msl0727]

First, this ain't "my truck". I don't own a CT, nor any truck, nor any Tesla. Second, I ain't "all smiley", and I'm very critical of what is delivered. Just because I don't believe the sky is falling and I try to be objective and realistic in my view of the CT, also doesn't make me a sheep. My eyes are WIDE open amigo. I've said many many times on here, for my mission use, the CT's greatest competition is NOT another truck, it's the MS and the new M3+.

"They cut into their promise to deliver you..." Here is the first problem. They didn't "promise" ANYTHING! I work with new prototypes and new products all the time with my work. If you were in that space, you would know those are "targets" for the production model. Watch the 2019 video again, see if they EVER use the word "promise". And for the AWD, they have EXCEEDED their 300 mile range target. But no one on here ever mentions that., they only whine about the "30% reduction" in range. It's faster than all of their targets, but no one has the huevos to mention that. The suspension goes higher than the original target. The width is EXACTLY what they said it would be in the targets. The capabilities of the HFS are the same or better than the targets. And with the range extender, you can get 94% of the way to the magic 500 miles on the AWD Dual motor, which was NEVER an advertised target. SbW, 4WS, 48V LV system, High bandwidth internal network, front cam, 110v outlets in the cab, 110/220v outlets in the bed, V2H capabilities, ANC, etc, ALL are features that didn't even HAVE a target value in 2019. BUT the naysayers continue to whine like a spoiled 2 year old over the cost and the lost range (of one single model). If the price bothers you, then just wait. Just like the weather in Anchorage, it will change quickly, once production starts to ramp. That has been true with EVERY single model they have built.

I have been a BEV and Tesla detractor for a long time. Finally, I started looking at it objectively. I'm not talking about any of the political or environmental issues, just a straight up car v car comparison. I probably put a higher value on innovation and outside the box thinking and design than most. But that is what fuels progress. And I love progress. I love pushing the envelope. I've come to appreciate the BEV for the advantages it has, and Tesla for their innovation.

I went and saw the CT last month as soon as it showed up in San Diego. I walked out of the store LESS enthused than when I walked in. I told my friends "I'm not sure this is the right one for me." I considered cancelling my reservation. But I withheld judgement until the unveil/delivery. The details at the presentation weren't 100% convincing either. But the more I do my homework and the more that is released, the more impressive it is becoming. I am more interested in the "Cyber" than the "Truck" parts. But there are those, and you may or may not be one, who just seem butt-hurt and overly emotional in their disdain for the current situation. And there are those here that are obviously only here to troll and hate. So I'll suggest that you take your own advice, open your eyes to ALL the information. I understand that there was a small percentage of peeps that wanted a 500 mile truck to do "truck things", or that NEEDED 3500# of payload, or 14k# of towing, or a $50-60k truck. And those targets haven't been hit (yet). I think the range will get there, I think the price will get there. I don't know about payload and towing, but I suspect we will find out soon if the numbers are artificially low for some bureaucratic reason. If you are still out of sorts over something and are unwilling to accept that things will change (as they have for EVERY single model, range and price both) then you go do you. Just don't be surprised that there are people who objectively think otherwise, with their eyes wide open. And don't be surprised that some people think the sky isn't actually falling.

You literally just said you were laughing more like grinning (smiling) big.

 

[PilotPete]

p.s. yes please I love cheese

Well, this explains why you seem to be "bound up" over the range of the Tri and the price!




(sorry, too easy. I had to.)

 

[PilotPete]

You literally just said you were laughing more like grinning (smiling) big.

Yes, but that was over people who refuse to look at the whole picture, not over the CT.

 

[msl0727]

Well, this explains why you seem to be "bound up" over the range of the Tri and the price!




(sorry, too easy. I had to.)

lol that explains it

 

[intimidator]

I'm a Texan who has driven nothing but big trucks my whole life, and I fell in love with the aggressiveness of the original beast.

Originally $69,900 for:

• Tires: 35x13.5(?)r20 Mud-Tires
• Range: 500+ miles
• Towing capacity: More than 14,000 lbs
• Payload: Up to 3,500 lbs
• Bed: Stainless
• Steel thickness: 3 mm
• Light-bar: Integrated
• Tailgate: Integrated Ramp

Now $99,990 for:

• Tires: 35x11r20 Hybrid (all-terrain tread)
• Range: 320 miles
• Towing capacity: 11,000 lbs
• Payload: 2,500 lbs
• Bed: Rubber/Plastic
• Steel thickness: ~1.4 mm
• Light-bar: Optioned
• Tailgate: No Ramp

The truck is scaled smaller, has less range, less towing, less storage, less material, less cells, and many of the original features are now no longer or available for an added cost.

I'm still buying, but getting less of a truck for nearly double the original price is leaving a bitter taste in my mouth. At the very least, I wish could just get the original truck. I never asked to scale it to fit in my garage.

Understandable.

I too reserved a 500 mile range truck. It was November 2019, and I truly thought Tesla would deliver that much range. Why would they say they were building a 500 mile range model, if they actually couldn't.

I understand why they are not able to deliver on that promise. Science. I am not mad they can't give me 500 miles of range, but am disappointed.

I currently drive a Ford Lariat Lightning, with 320 miles of range, and truly enjoy it. But I have taken it on several trips, and 320 miles of range - on the public CCS network is not great at times.

Ready to get my Cybertruck, but I will miss my huge frunk - which I use at least once a week. Hopefully dropping the tailgate and using the in bed storage will be a decent substitute.

 

[HitchHiker71]

He hardly mentions FSD anymore, other than to say the future of the company depends on it. I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

Rest assured that whenever Musk doesn't talk about something, it's because he knows it's bad news and bad press to talk about it. That's why he made zero mention of either price or range at the CT launch event for example. Would have gone over like a lead balloon even to the fanboy audience that was there, let alone actual truck owners that reserved as prospective buyers back in 2019. It's important to pay attention to what Musk doesn't say as much as what he does say.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Ya know, I'm sitting here and honestly laughing (ok, more like a really big smirk). EVERY naysayer points to the "loss in range". I didn't realize so many people had reserved the original tri-motor! There has been NO LOSS OF RANGE for the dual/AWD version, rather, it has a RANGE INCREASE over the 2019 targets. But nobody mentions that fact. Everyone wants to cry and wail about the "loss of range" that only occurred on one model.

So no, the F150's gas tank didn't shrink by 30%. It also didn't grow by 10% either.

Haters gonna hate...

Anyone who actually drives and owns Tesla vehicles knows that the estimated 340 (only 318 with the wheels/tires that we've all seen to date), isn't anywhere close to that real world. I always shave off 20% to get somewhere close to real world, and for the CT given the higher CoD, weight, etc., will likely be even higher, especially considering Tesla used a factor that is unrealistic compared to most other EV manufacturers, which is why Tesla takes heat for their EPA range estimates in the first place. IIRC the CT is using a 0.77-0.79 factor, whereas most other manufacturers use a more real world 0.70 factor.

Our MY doesn't get anywhere close to 318 miles for example. 318*.80=254 miles, which is about what we'd get if we went from 100 to zero, which of course no one ever does. Even if we went from 100 to 10% - that's about 223 miles on a full charge on a roadtrip. The CT will do worse given it's heavier, and has more wind resistance. Figure 200 miles on average best estimate, without any tow/haul of course.

 

[HansonCT]

I don't see how it's better at all. Spec-wise and looks-wise the original truck was better in every way. Like every other truck owner, I'll spray in a bed-liner if I want one. To get more range since important for towing and other factors (still less than before), you have to sacrifice 1/3 of your bed space. Every truck owner knows bed space is crucial. 4 years of advancements in battery chemistry and energy density would have yielded even better specs than before, just by doing nothing more than using today's tech. We got less for more money.

Agree.. 2 years of waiting and probably another 2 before finally gets a CT, silverado ev for close to the same cost and more range without a $16k battery that takes up space, having 2nd thoughts

 

[JoeRod97]

I agree. I am a minute 1 reservation holder and can't wait to get my invite. I'm all in. For the unveiling, I made it an event with a steak dinner and scotch. I sold a Porsche to lease a M3 in hopes it may help my status with a quicker invite. On delivery day, I took off from work. Again I am all in and will by the Tri Motor as soon as I can, but it is less for more. Less battery, less steel. No ramp. More expensive. Inflation and shrinkflation both. For anyone to say otherwise is on another planet. Again I've accepted it, but to the people refuting OP, I don't know what else to say.

Dont care..i WANT MY CYBERTRUCK!!

 

[charliemagpie]

Agree.. 2 years of waiting and probably another 2 before finally gets a CT, silverado ev for close to the same cost and more range without a $16k battery that takes up space, having 2nd thoughts

Until a loose car tire comes bouncing down the highway towards your windscreen

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