Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[Woodrick]

Because here is Tesla’s record with respect to its dashboard estimates:



Which isn’t to entirely discount the utility of the data from Tesla, but instead to emphasize the obvious point that critical interpretation is necessary of every dataset

I'm not really sure how you take range vs temperature graphs and prove whatever you were saying, which seem to be irrelevant to the stated point.

I mean all these graphs seem to say to me is that the EPA test may not be reflective of these driver's habits.

Are you going to have an average range that it equal or better than the EPA numbers? I have no idea.
Are there people that do have average ranges that are higher than the EPA averages? Absolutely.

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[cvalue13]

I'm not really sure how you take range vs temperature graphs and prove whatever you were saying, which seem to be irrelevant to the stated point.

Were you unable to read the key?

At the top of the graph is Tesla’s dashboard estimate associate with the observed resulting range

point being teslas dashboard is historically trash

Exactly relevant to ABRP discussion

 

[Woodrick]

Step 1. Label someone a dirty ICE driver even though you have no idea of their driving history.

Step 2. While labeling them a dirty ICE driver make sure you are younger than 25 years old so you can push the narrative that you have gone your whole live traveling only in BEVs

Step 3. Explain that someone who has ever sat in an ICE vehicle is not capable or allowed to use tools such as ABRP

Step 4. Bask in the fact that you are the 1% of Americans allowed to even think about using ABRP

I never said that you couldn't use ABRP. All I said was in reference to you calling it a reliable source. And especially when it comes to Cybertrucks. It's pretty hard to say that it is a reliable when you indicate a trust in the numbers that prove it otherwise.
Does ABRP represent real-world driving? Have you put in a route where you leave the house, gone to work for 8 hours, left to the kids ball games, watched for an hour, drive over to another house and picked up a kid, then went to the grocery store, shopped for 24 minutes and then went home? That's real-world driving!!!

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[Woodrick]

Were you unable to read the key?

At the top of the graph is Tesla’s dashboard estimate associate with the observed resulting range

point grunt teslas dashboard is historically trash

I decided to delete my response and just state my expectations of the Cybertruck.
People are hear to learn what they can expect from the Cybertruck, not to hear YouTube repost or listen to the bickering.

I'll tell you what most people can expect. (for the majority of users) And there's essentially a 100% probability that the following is true.

• The truck will fulfill your daily needs. If you look at your numbers, they will be all over the place, some days higher, some days lower. They will probably end up worse than the EPA numbers over time. But a fair percentage of people will beat the EPA numbers
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• On a long trip, the truck will fulfill your needs. If you are a 500 mile straight through person, then you will have a reality awakening. The truck is going to make the trip a LOT longer for you. If you are a more average driver, stopping every few hours to stretch, use the bathroom, have meals, then, with a little planning, like don't make a stop unless you can charge, you will find a minimal impact to your travels.
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• When travelling long distances, don't attempt to charge to 100% (Except before you leave the house), you really shouldn't even charge above 80%. Believe it or not, the lower that you charge and the emptier you come into a charger, the faster your travels will be.
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• The cybertruck is a bigger vehicle and will require more charging. It uses about 25% more energy and because charging in not linear on Superchargers, will possibly require about 30% longer stay than a Model 3 or Model Y.

Yes, sure, there are exceptions. 100+ mile per day commutes, trailer hauling, 85 mph speed limits, cold weather climates.

 

[Crissa]

I'm just annoyed he's comparing mountain driving adventures which would take all day to traverse to freeway driving scenarios as if it's some sort of comparison.

If you're going to drive across three western states you should be sleeping at least once. Let alone if you're doing it on tertiary highways which were gravel just thirty years ago.

There's no gas station on his route, either. What the heck.

-Crissa

 

[PilotPete]

East coaster, makes sense. It’s 100 miles from one side of the yellow area to the other. I never said there’s no charges on the way to Sequoia, just that I don’t want to spend 3hrs charging, though I understand reading comprehension can be difficult for some.
Same posts from the same people either unable to read or lack enough reasoning ability to be able to hold their tongue.

Dude, That yellow area is one that NO ONE takes on a long drive. You go out 78 when there is somewhere ON 78 you want to stop. You and I and everyone else would take 8 to go through Yuma, or 10 to go through Blythe. I go out to Yuma and Tucson multiple times every year (I take the 5 to the 8). Ya know what, the last 4 times I haven’t taken my car, I have rented a Tesla! Not only was it more fun and cheaper to charge than fill up with gas, I was NEVER far from a SC, I was generally pretty close. And I have no idea why you would highlight that area when talking about driving to Sequoia, that part of the state isn’t even on that route! If you’re going up there, you would be driving through that area where you can’t even see the city names because of all the chargers!

 

[anionic1]

If that "178 miles range" is coming from the trip computer (ie, they are navigating along the route and between superchargers), let me tell you a story about our first road trip in the Model 3.

Left home with 100% charge headed for LA down I-5. Wanted to get all the way Santa Clarita SC.... that's the OTHER side of the grapevine.

For those who've never been on the grapevine (and apparently I'd forgotten this, it's a HUGE pass with a steep climb).

So we drove past the Tejon superchargers (they are huge in number these days!) and the range calc looks OK for getting to Santa Clarita. Then we started up the hill to the grapevine.... and the range just sank. Halfway up the hill, it showed us with 10 tiles of range left and 40 till Santa Clarita. I almost turned around and went back to Tejon. Then I remembered my physics, gravitational potential energy, and regeneration braking.... and I continued on.

Sure enough, once we topped the pass, we headed down, regent kicked in, we gained a lot back ,and pulled into the Santa Clarita chargers showing .... wait for it.... "600 miles of range" remaining, based on current driving conditions......

That’s because it’s almost all downhill from the top of the pass Gorman to Santa Clarita. You go from 3800’ to 1200’.

 

[PilotPete]

What we are saying is that the EPA BLENDED number is nowhere near the real world results that are coming in.

No issue with a rough estimate, just an issue with the estimate and reality being about 40% off

Before the CT was released, the catch phrase was “real truck doing real truck things”. Now, it is “real world range”. There is no such thing. I posted this elsewhere, but in my ICE car, F to E (<30 miles of gas left) can go from barely 300 miles, to over 425. That is the “real world variance” in the range. The reason the EPA tests are done on a dyno is, the “real world” contains too many variables from one day to the next. And trust me, if the OEMs had to do it outdoors, they would ALL do it on the same section of road that someone discovered would give them the best numbers. And everyone would whine about it not being a “real world” number. Every tank of gas ends up different, even though I generally make the same drives. And every run between charges is going to be different. And yes, someone claims to have done 10,000 miles already. But the issue there is, it is hard to get that many miles by driving like everyone else does. That’s some long time, long range, love you long time, kinda driving. But that isn’t the way most people drive, and the results aren’t what most people will get. Some will come close, for similar or different reasons.

If you want a CT, get a CT. If you don’t, screw it, still buy the CT! Why not.

 

[scottyah]

Dude, That yellow area is one that NO ONE takes on a long drive. You go out 78 when there is somewhere ON 78 you want to stop. You and I and everyone else would take 8 to go through Yuma, or 10 to go through Blythe. I go out to Yuma and Tucson multiple times every year (I take the 5 to the 8). Ya know what, the last 4 times I haven’t taken my car, I have rented a Tesla! Not only was it more fun and cheaper to charge than fill up with gas, I was NEVER far from a SC, I was generally pretty close. And I have no idea why you would highlight that area when talking about driving to Sequoia, that part of the state isn’t even on that route! If you’re going up there, you would be driving through that area where you can’t even see the city names because of all the chargers!

The yellow is Anza Borrego and Ocotillo Wells… extremely common places to go for a weekend

 

[Gigahorse]

If you want a CT, get a CT. If you don’t, screw it, still buy the CT! Why not.

I think that is kinda what a lot of people are trying to figure out

 

[fritter63]

That’s because it’s almost all downhill from the top of the pass Gorman to Santa Clarita. You go from 3800’ to 1200’.

of course. Was that not obvious enough how I wrote it??????

 

[Gigahorse]

Got another range report in, long test of well over 600 miles and 552 wh/mile giving the truck a range of over 200miles at 223 miles of range if the entire battery pack is used, or about..............178 miles of real world range with 80% of the battery pack per charging recommendations from Tesla.
At this point this is one of many.
In super ideal conditions, driving slowly the CT can get well over 250 miles of range, but with over 20,000 miles of real world driver reports in now the CT is getting about 180 miles of real world range.

 

[Crissa]

Got another range report in, long test of well over 600 miles and 552 wh/mile giving the truck a range of over 200miles at 223 miles of range if the entire battery pack is used, or about..............178 miles of real world range with 80% of the battery pack per charging recommendations from Tesla.
At this point this is one of many.
In super ideal conditions, driving slowly the CT can get well over 250 miles of range, but with over 20,000 miles of real world driver reports in now the CT is getting about 180 miles of real world range.

Dude, there's no way to know what speed they were going, how many 0-60 'demonstrations' they did, what the weather or terrain was...

WTF. If it was all freeway driving, that ain't real-world range. The real world is mostly not freeways.

-Crissa

 

[TeslaFANa]

Got another range report in, long test of well over 600 miles and 552 wh/mile giving the truck a range of over 200miles at 223 miles of range if the entire battery pack is used, or about..............178 miles of real world range with 80% of the battery pack per charging recommendations from Tesla.
At this point this is one of many.
In super ideal conditions, driving slowly the CT can get well over 250 miles of range, but with over 20,000 miles of real world driver reports in now the CT is getting about 180 miles of real world range.

Hey gigahorse, honest question, do you own a Tesla or an EV for that matter?

It seems to me you are posting all these estimates of " real world range" as a way to get information out there but it is mistaken for reliable real world range tests. Let's all be honest here, these are all winter range tests.

It seems to me like there is confusion about what EPA and real world range means or at least it's a matter of opinion. In my opinion, EPA range is an ideal scenario and that is the case not only with EV but also with my previous ICE cars (Corolla, MB C230, MB ML350, VW GLI). We all know that winter driving the decreases EV range 20 to 30% and that decrease in range is not linear to temperature but actually exponential. We have only seeing a handful of these so-called warm weather tests with a temperature around 70 or 75 and even those are still winter tests because temperature overnight is lower, pavement temperature is lower, tire temperature is lower etc.

Take my two current cars for example, my wives model X has an advertised epa range of 265 mi and we can usually get 255 mi on road trips but right now and even during summer her consumption is somewhere between 500 and 550 watts per mile , if you extrapolate that it would give her a range of 160 to 200 mi of "real world range "at best. My model S currently and even during summer has a consumption between 400 and 450 Watts per mile, if you extrapolate that it would only give me 220 to 240 Miles of " real world range" but during trips I get between 290 and 320 mi based on an advertised EPA range of $310. Winter driving still applies, if I take those trips during winter time then I take a 20 to 30% hit on range.

I see nothing wrong with all these tests being published out there, they are pretty much what I expected them to be at this point. I think there is a lot of over interpreting what you post as reliable range tests, I'm not sure what the real purpose of your posts are and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are trying to get "reliable" information out there. But I can see other people's opinions about your posts, sometimes they do read as FUD .

 

[TeslaFANa]

To me, real world range means that I get 200 mi on my model S being aggressive, 150 mi being aggressive in winter time or real world could mean that I get 320 mi on a summer road trip.

So in that case my car has an estimated real world range of 150 to 320 mi. Not really helpful is it?

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