Cybertruck will be the last Tesla to use stainless steel exoskeleton

[REM]

When you have no argument, resort to ad hominem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

I have no problem with that, coming from the person who is utterly incapable of understand Tesla's instructions regarding FSD.

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[REM]

As to musk an the false promises of FSD:

2016 Tesla Blog:

https://web.archive.org/web/2016102...-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware

Can you provide an example of someone who purchased FSD in 2016, and did not receive a hardware upgrade that allowed them to use the FSD software?

As the CEO of tesla the buck stops with him. If that's not enough:

https://xautoworld.com/news/transcript-elon-musk-autopilot-2-conference-call/#google_vignette

He's full of shit.

Allow me to highlight the parts that you are skipping over:

So it’ll take us some time you know in the future to complete validation of the software and to get through required regulatory approval

Are you aware of any regulating body that has approve Level 5 autonomy? What exactly are you trying to argue from this snippet here?

 

[Deleted member 17810]

Regulatory bodies are not the reason that musk just stated in the last week that hw3 won't be able to do FSD.

Every hardware release, musk says that it's hardware complete for "real" FSD.

 

[dalton108]

Regulatory bodies are not the reason that musk just stated in the last week that hw3 won't be able to do FSD.

Every hardware release, musk says that it's hardware complete for "real" FSD.

Unassailable truth.

 

[Crissa]

Does this imply that Cybertruck is also being retired? I don't know if the info in the post is a direct quote or if it is if the words were accurately chosen. The post here says, "...both will be retired with the Cybertruck." It doesn't say neither will be used for other vehicles.

"Tesla highlighted two advancements regarding the Cybertruck: the stainless steel exoskeleton and the air-bending manufacturing process, and said both will be retired with the Cybertruck."

Yes, the text is wrong. Nowhere does it say it will be retired.

It just says the technology doesn't seem to have applications for their future vehicles.

Retired means 'stop using' but there's nothing in Tesla's document about stopping Cybertruck development.

-Crissa

 

[Crissa]

Why? Are you being paid to do so?

Aside from stock holders, why would anyone do this?

Why wouldn't you prefer truth over FUD?

It looks to me like a failing of character to allow falsehoods to stand at all.

I think it's been settles on the doors being the only part of the truck that acts like an exoskeleton. Everything else is just cladding on the castings.

It's been repeatedly falsely said, yes. Some pieces, like the A-pillar, are less structural, however...

The skin is stressed and provides part of the stiffness of the vehicle. In a collision, it combines the cross-bar strength which requires high-strength steel beams throughout the vehicle without the skin.

So the doors were where they had the most cost savings - but that doesn't mean it's just useless 'cladding' over the other parts.

Are we debating this? It’s not structural, hasn’t that been proven? You can remove all the skin and still drive the truck...

You can take out the engine mounts from my car and still drive it, it won't immediately fall out of the compartment. That doesn't make the engine mounts not structural!

-Crissa

 

[REM]

Regulatory bodies are not the reason that musk just stated in the last week that hw3 won't be able to do FSD.

Every hardware release, musk says that it's hardware complete for "real" FSD.

I have a Model 3 on HW3 that is running FSD right now.

I think where most people get confused is that FSD isn't and will never be a final and complete product. It's a piece of living software.

Ai is not an easy subject. Certainly not Ai that navigates the rules of the roadways.

 

[dalton108]

I have a Model 3 on HW3 that is running FSD right now.

I think where most people get confused is that FSD isn't and will never be a final and complete product. It's a piece of living software.

Ai is not an easy subject. Certainly not Ai that navigates the rules of the roadways.

No sir! You’re playing fast and loose with the facts now. He promised full autonomy on HW3 repeatedly!

Almost every expert in this field and folks like dirty Tesla Kyle from out of spec and every corner of the stakeholders said that that was total bullshit and it would never happen. Repeatedly. Legal CLEARLY made him change the promises made on the website several months ago promising nothing more than supervised FSD on HW3 which is CLEARLY all they could feasibly promise to deliver. I knew it was over when he allowed that change to be made!

This is an unmitigated capitulation by EM and there is no spinning it into anything else.

He was categorically wrong and stridently denied it up until last week.

 

[GuyV]

argumentum ad infinitum

Then show me instead of being lazy and linking articles that don't do anything to provide proof for you claim. Take a screenshot. Give me a link. Show me where I missed Elon making a promise.

I'll continue waiting.

I can understand if reading comprehension is your problem, but I gave you audio and video of the man himself saying what you are denying. I had these saved after your first attempted rejoinder, but the back and forth that annoys you was precisely to make you spend the time and effort to engage and commit to your fallacy instead of your lazy and sloppy typical internet trolling gambit of "citation?" trying to undermine something you don't like without doing any work, giving any thought or adding any substance. Now the record is here for all to read.

 

[igs]

I have no problem with that, coming from the person who is utterly incapable of understand Tesla's instructions regarding FSD.

LOL are you butt hurt that you were and still are being proven wrong over and over again by literally everyone on this forum. Just close your account and stay offline. No one wants you here.

 

[REM]

No sir! You’re playing fast and loose with the facts now. He promised full autonomy on HW3 repeatedly!

Legal CLEARLY made him change the promises made on the website several months ago promising nothing more than supervised FSD on HW3 which is CLEARLY all they could feasibly promise to deliver. I knew it was over when he allowed that change to be made!

This is an unmitigated capitulation by EM and there is no spinning it into anything else.

He was categorically wrong and stridently denied it up until last week.

"He promised full autonomy on HW3 repeatedly"

except he didn't. Repeating the quote yet again:

"So it’ll take us some time you know in the future to complete validation of the software and to get through required regulatory approval."

You guys never seem to read the WHOLE truth of statements made by him. Nor do you guys seem to understand that FSD is a living software stack; NOT a static software product. Elon certainly understands the context of this, and has never made 'absolutist' type statements that you all seem to be wishing into existence.

You are all acting as if FSD is unavailable on HW3.

Fun fact: it IS available, right now, on HW3.

 

[dalton108]

"He promised full autonomy on HW3 repeatedly"

except he didn't. Repeating the quote yet again:

"So it’ll take us some time you know in the future to complete validation of the software and to get through required regulatory approval."

You guys never seem to read the WHOLE truth of statements made by him. Nor do you guys seem to understand that FSD is a living software stack; NOT a static software product. Elon understand the context of this, and has never made 'absolutist' type statements that you all seem to be wishing into existence.

You are all acting as if FSD is unavailable on HW3.

Fun fact: it IS available, right now, on HW3.

False! I’ll believe my lying eyes and ears, thanks! I’m not amenable to gaslighting in any of its forms.

Not debatable; so, we won’t be debating it in any form or fashion.

 

[BannedByTMC]

While swapping the stainless for a composite material is an intriguing idea, it wouldn't save much weight. Stainless steel at 2mm thickness weighs a little over 3lbs per square foot.

From Google:

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Carbon fiber is much lighter than stainless steel. Carbon fiber's density is about 1.6 grams per cubic centimeter (g/cm3g / c m cubed), while stainless steel's density is about 7.85
g/cm3g / c m cubed
. This means that carbon fiber is about five times lighter than stainless steel.

 

[cybercricket]

From Google:

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Carbon fiber is much lighter than stainless steel. Carbon fiber's density is about 1.6 grams per cubic centimeter (g/cm3g / c m cubed), while stainless steel's density is about 7.85
g/cm3g / c m cubed
. This means that carbon fiber is about five times lighter than stainless steel.

Carbon fiber WHAT ? Carbon fiber is not used by itself, it's used as reinforcing material in composites. Most of the weight in such composites comes from the density of whichever resin or polymer is being combined with the CF.

 

[BannedByTMC]

Carbon fiber WHAT ?

Composite obviously.

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