Cybertruck will be the last Tesla to use stainless steel exoskeleton

[Deleted member 17810]

The onus of upholding truth and eliminating FUD is on current owners.

Why? Are you being paid to do so?

Aside from stock holders, why would anyone do this?

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[Paul Scott]

I wrapped mine because the SS gets too hot in the summer and it is much easier to keep clean. I do see a lot of people that love the truck and when we start talking pricing they are surprised to learn they are less expensive than they thought. The other day picking up firewood I had a chat with a guy and his Chevy Silverado Trail Boss was pretty close to the price of the AWD CT. A Ford F-150 raptor more expensive than a CT AWD. Then add in the maintenance and gas savings it makes a lot more sense.

Tesla hasn't really done much to market the CT or to educate the public on pricing. Tesla Owners Clubs used to do that for Tesla but a lot of owners have stopped due to Elon's politics and Tesla ignoring the Owners Clubs. So Tesla's unofficial marketing and PR groups that numbered in the 100,000's largely disappeared. Sure they picked up a few buyers due to Elon's politics but have lost more than they gained.

The truck is iconic, and it is innovative. We don't know how difficult it has really been for them to make the exoskeleton and how much trouble they are having with repairs and transporting parts. There are a lot of factors that could go in to the decision to not move forward with that technology. They could have come up with something better in the time since the truck was designed.

Also they could always change their mind in the future and use it again in a future product. Just because they said they wouldn't right now doesn't mean things don't change in the future. The new Model Y came out with turn signal stalk instead of the button on the steering wheel. Personally I ike the button on the wheel. When I get out of my CT and go back to our older S and X I find it a little awkward reaching for the stalks I am used to the buttons now.

They dropped the steering wheel for the yolk and then make the wheel optional, then the yolk became the option. Things change all the time based on the data they collect from the cars and the customers. This is a long way to say never say never. Plans change.

 

[REM]

So, you've finally taken your own stand? Then here you go. This is the earnings call where when asked if he would need to do hardware retrofits to deliver on his commitment, he admits that it will be necessary and "absolutely painful and difficult" which I hope you can grasp also means, as I said, costly.

Tesla, Inc. Q4 2024 Financial Results and Q&A Webcast | Tesla Investor Relations

Here are few fun samples of him getting raked:

Elon Musk finally admits that Tesla will have to replace its HW3 self-driving computers | Electrek



Elon Musk admits Teslas will need new hardware for FSD | The Verge

An Old Promise About Full Self-Driving Catches Up to Tesla

Elon Musk admits that Tesla will have to replace old computers for FSD buyers

since you have a hard time with reading comprehension, I'll screenshot what I asked. maybe that will help:

In the English language "the" is a definite article, singular and specific. I asked for "the" best example you have. You finally replied after a ridiculous amount of back and forth with several links to known anti-Tesla FUD sites (Electrek and The Verge) and an MSN article (laughable), which also didn't provide an example of Elon making a promise.

If I missed it, pleas screenshot where in the articles they showcased this.

Nevertheless, I checked all of the articles, including the ones from the Electrek and The Verge that continually quoted themselves (lol) in a nested sea of articles and found that not a single one of them offered anything but opinions. Nothing fact based. None of them quoted anything remotely close to a promise made by Elon.

How about you provide me with ONE example of where Elon actually made a promise and I will review. Let's start with ONE.

note: posting an opinion article with circular referencing is not what I am asking for. See the screenshot above ^

 

[igs]

You are under the impression that a trim piece should be structural?

So you admit the stainless steel "exoskeleton" is just "trim" and therefore not structural.

 

[REM]

Does this imply that Cybertruck is also being retired? I don't know if the info in the post is a direct quote or if it is if the words were accurately chosen. The post here says, "...both will be retired with the Cybertruck." It doesn't say neither will be used for other vehicles.

"Tesla highlighted two advancements regarding the Cybertruck: the stainless steel exoskeleton and the air-bending manufacturing process, and said both will be retired with the Cybertruck."

So far not a single shred of proof has been provided by anyone to back up the headline of this thread.

 

[RVAC]

There were no F-150's offering 14,000 lb. tow packages in 2019, when the Cybertruck's anticipated ratings were released. Ford buyers had to step up to the F-250 to get 14,000 lb. tow ratings.

Max tow 13,200 lb and 3,300 lb payload. It's clear what they were targeting.

 

[GuyV]

since you have a hard time with reading comprehension, I'll screenshot what I asked. maybe that will help:

In the English language "the" is a definite article, singular and specific. I asked for "the" best example you have. You finally replied after a ridiculous amount of back and forth with several links to known anti-Tesla FUD sites (Electrek and The Verge) and an MSN article (laughable), which also didn't provide an example of Elon making a promise.

If I missed it, pleas screenshot where in the articles they showcased this.

Nevertheless, I checked all of the articles, including the ones from the Electrek and The Verge that continually quoted themselves (lol) in a nested sea of articles and found that not a single one of them offered anything but opinions. Nothing fact based. None of them quoted anything remotely close to a promise made by Elon.

How about you provide me with ONE example of where Elon actually made a promise and I will review. Let's start with ONE.

note: posting an opinion article with circular referencing is not what I am asking for. See the screenshot above ^

Utter denial of reality. A court of law has validated it. Even Musk has accepted it. Read, watch and try to comprehend. ? ? ?

Edit: I will explain, in response to your gibberish, that I posted the link to the earnings call where Musk admitted Tesla was going to have to make good. That's the clear refutation of your position.

Since I suspected you would have trouble understanding or be too lazy to watch I added several links to vindicated commentators gleefully explaining it for you.

 

[REM]

Utter denial of reality. A court of law has validated it. Even Musk has accepted it. Read, watch and try to comprehend. ? ? ?

argumentum ad infinitum

Then show me instead of being lazy and linking articles that don't do anything to provide proof for you claim. Take a screenshot. Give me a link. Show me where I missed Elon making a promise.

I'll continue waiting.

 

[Deleted member 17810]

Didn’t Shaq replace his stainless steel with carbon fiber entirely?

No, he got gifted a CT with the "wide body kit" aka bigger CF fender flares.

 

[dalton108]

No, he got gifted a CT with the "wide body kit" aka bigger CF fender flares.

Thanks. I’m very carefully saying this is what I think on this situation because I am not certain I haven’t paid super close attention to it but I thought that Shaq’s panels were replaced - so, taking you at face value- clearly wrong on that.

What about my belief that Sandi and others have said it’s definitely not an exoskeleton am I wrong there too?

 

[Deleted member 17810]

Thanks. I’m very carefully saying this is what I think on this situation because I am not certain I haven’t paid super close attention to it but I thought that Shaq’s panels were replaced - so, taking you at face value- clearly wrong on that.

What about my belief that Sandi and others have said it’s definitely not an exoskeleton am I wrong there too?

All good:

I remember this cause someone here tried to claim shaq fits in the cybertruck's unmodified seats.

I think it's been settles on the doors being the only part of the truck that acts like an exoskeleton. Everything else is just cladding on the castings.

 

[dalton108]

All good:

I remember this cause someone here tried to claim shaq fits in the cybertruck's unmodified seats.

I think it's been settles on the doors being the only part of the truck that acts like an exoskeleton. Everything else is just cladding on the castings.

I remember that post and discussion too. In fact, that’s where I got the notion that the panels had been replaced. I clearly just mis-apprehended/remembered.

 

[Deleted member 17810]

As to musk an the false promises of FSD:

2016 Tesla Blog:

https://web.archive.org/web/2016102...-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware

All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
The Tesla Team October 19, 2016
…

We are excited to announce that, as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver.

As the CEO of tesla the buck stops with him. If that's not enough:

https://xautoworld.com/news/transcript-elon-musk-autopilot-2-conference-call/#google_vignette

On Oct 19, 2016 Tesla/SpaceX CEO, Elon Musk did a press conference about the release of Autopilot 2.0 release and gave out intricate details about the hardware and software of this level 5 self driving capability. Journalists from major media outlets asked him several questions and he replied in detail.


Elon Musk: Basic news is that all cars exiting the factory have hardware necessary for Level 5 Autonomy so that’s in terms of Cameras, Compute Power, it’s in every car we make on the order 2,000 cars a week are shipping now with Level 5 literally meaning hardware capable of full self-driving for driver-less capability.

So it’ll take us some time you know in the future to complete validation of the software and to get through required regulatory approval, but the important thing is that the foundation is laid for the cars to be fully autonomous at a safety level we believe to be at least twice that of a person, may be better!

So I think that it’s probably unexpected by most that it’s happening right now. So we are pretty excited about that, that’s also essentially part 2 of the Model 3 announcement which is that Model 3 will also have hardware necessary for full autonomy, infact all cars Tesla makes from here & now will have the hardware needed to be fully autonomous or driver-less, that’s where things are.

He's full of shit.

 

[igs]

It scares me to know that you have a driver's license.

When you have no argument, resort to ad hominem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

 

[cybercricket]

Are we debating this? It’s not structural, hasn’t that been proven? You can remove all the skin and still drive the truck. Munro and others have said this - the structure does not come from the “exoskeleton.” Didn’t Shaq replace his stainless steel with carbon fiber entirely?

I didn’t think this was a subject of contention. Is it?

Stainless body panels on CT are structural, but their purpose in current implementation is to supplement the structure, not to carry 100% of the loads. That's distinctive from the cosmetic trim elements (which on CT are made of a variety of materials) that our resident comedian pointed to.

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