FSD…..A VERY DANGEROUS SETTING

[EasternSP]

85? seriously?
If I drove 85, even merging onto the freeway momentarily, I would be looking for a new insurance policy. I have Alstate and they want me to use their safe driver app. They know my every move.

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[Outdoors]

The same way you drive a motorcycle if you want to stay alive.

Yet this is a truck. You a silly fella from Florida.

 

[LDRHAWKE]

Yet this is a truck. You a silly fella from Florida.

The concept applies to any type vehicle.

 

[CyberGus]

85? seriously?
If I drove 85, even merging onto the freeway momentarily, I would be looking for a new insurance policy. I have Alstate and they want me to use their safe driver app. They know my every move.

This is on SH-130 toll road through Austin, which goes right in front of the Gigafactory:

Welcome to Texas

 

[Outdoors]

The concept applies to any type vehicle.

Going with a mechanical engineer as previous employment.

 

[devdrone6]

I think the FSD limit makes sense - for safety and liability. If you want to go faster then YOU can.

 

[SlegMD]

HEY BROTHER

PUSH FSD OFF BEFORE YOU HIT THE FOOT GO FAST BUTTON, M’KAY

WORKING AS INTENDED

Also, it warns you to take over, it doesn’t dump you
Have fun in FSD jail

 

[LDRHAWKE]

I think the FSD limit makes sense - for safety and liability. If you want to go faster then YOU can.

Totally agree…..everyone is still missing the point I am trying to make. At 85 mph it doesn’t need to be a loud blaring alarm with the screen blinking red. There is no emergency from creeping up 1 or 2 mph trying to get out of traffic. It in itself can distracting and cause an accident. A simple reminder on the screen that you have broken the rule is all that is needed, if that? There is no emergency and a distracting blaring alarm.

 

[dalton108]

85? seriously?
If I drove 85, even merging onto the freeway momentarily, I would be looking for a new insurance policy. I have Alstate and they want me to use their safe driver app. They know my every move.

People have been giving an OP a hard time mostly about his lack of familiarity (and frankly lack of common sense) with how he should use FSD. But out west these ridiculous speeds are very common. The reason I know that you need to disengage FSD before you really give your car the beans on the freeway is because traveling on the I15 between Vegas and California and in certain parts of Arizona and Utah 85 is just not going to cut it and is basically just keeping up with the flow of traffic in all lanes.

Can’t remember if I posted about it but I made a video driving on the I15 where I was doing 85 (which as we know is the top speed that FSD will do) and getting passed on both the left and right after moving out of the fast lane in my Plaid.

So, I know everybody’s having a good time piling onto OP here but, speed is an issue and Tesla does need to move back to giving us a top speed of 90 for FSD like we had before we lost radar.

Some people will never use it and that’s fine. But on one of the most common long trips I take there are several points at which FSD becomes unusable because of 85 mph legal or not you are impeding the flow of traffic around you and because we can’t set a top speed anymore, setting the car to standard and moving over to the far right isn’t necessarily a great option. Tractor trailers are doing well in excess 75 mph and under no circumstances do I spend any time hanging out around big rigs.

If you’re from somewhere where are the standard road speeds are 60 to 65 on the highway/interstate you’re not prepared to drive out here.

 

[dalton108]

Totally agree…..everyone is still missing the point I am trying to make. At 85 mph it doesn’t need to be a loud blaring alarm with the screen blinking red. There is no emergency from creeping up 1 or 2 mph trying to get out of traffic. It in itself can distracting and cause an accident. A simple reminder on the screen that you have broken the rule is all that is needed, if that? There is no emergency and a distracting blaring alarm.

I think you’re saying that you are startled and annoyed by this behavior is what I’m hearing. The solution is just to be cognizant of the fact that you’re about to do some serious speeding and either click the right toggle wheel or tap on the screen before you put your foot down. If you do that you’ll never hear it.

And more to the point, even while I agree with you about modern road speeds when you’re running with the crowd doing this you are exceeding both the speed limit and the risk tolerance that Tesla has reasonably set up for the software. The system does not assume that you are going to intentionally engage in unlawful behavior, but rather that for whatever reason you are unaware that you are exceeding the speed limit and therefore need to be warned that the situation is dangerous and it is not going to be driving for you so you need to take over immediately. I think that’s the right behavior.

The way you drive seems normal to you, but you can see by all the comments that you’re getting that it just isn’t as common as you think. Even if it was perfectly lawful Tesla has decided that for our ADAS we are not going to take on the risk at those speeds. This is only natural.

If you want to drive like a bat out of hell that’s fine, you take on the risk and you do the driving. When you transitioning from the car is driving to now you must take over because you suddenly stomped on the accelerator, the warning is appropriate and you should be desensitized to it by now.

And again, you can avoid it by just turning it off before you hit the pedal. Train yourself to do that.

 

[LDRHAWKE]

I think you’re saying that you are startled and annoyed by this behavior is what I’m hearing. The solution is just to be cognizant of the fact that you’re about to do some serious speeding and either click the right toggle wheel or tap on the screen before you put your foot down. If you do that you’ll never hear it.

And more to the point, even while I agree with you about modern road speeds when you’re running with the crowd doing this you are exceeding both the speed limit and the risk tolerance that Tesla has reasonably set up for the software. The system does not assume that you are going to intentionally engage in unlawful behavior, but rather that for whatever reason you are unaware that you are exceeding the speed limit and therefore need to be warned that the situation is dangerous and it is not going to be driving for you so you need to take over immediately. I think that’s the right behavior.

The way you drive seems normal to you, but you can see by all the comments that you’re getting that it just isn’t as common as you think. Even if it was perfectly lawful just look and say for our ADAS we are not going to take on the risk at those speeds. This is only natural.

If you want to drive like a bat out of hell that’s fine you take on the risk and you do the driving. When you transitioning from the car is driving to now you must take over because you suddenly stomped on the accelerator the warning is appropriate and you should be desensitized to it by now. And again, you can avoid it by just turning it off before you hit the pedal. Train yourself to do that.

I am saying the alarm method of notifying a driver is exceeding the rules is unnecessary and potentially dangerous. I also agree knowing how to get around is a solution, but does not address the unnecessary existing safety it now posses. The first reaction you initially have is to tap the brakes…..not a good idea with another car on your ass at 85mph.

 

[SCTesla]

I am saying the alarm method of notifying a driver is exceeding the rules is unnecessary and potentially dangerous. I also agree knowing how to get around is a solution, but does not address the unnecessary existing safety it now posses. The first reaction you initially have is to tap the brakes…..not a good idea with another car on your ass at 85mph.

And police sirens are jarring when you're going 100.

You blew through the warning and then things escalated. Tesla is required by law to be very clear when you're not following prompts.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Totally agree…..everyone is still missing the point I am trying to make. At 85 mph it doesn’t need to be a loud blaring alarm with the screen blinking red. There is no emergency from creeping up 1 or 2 mph trying to get out of traffic. It in itself can distracting and cause an accident. A simple reminder on the screen that you have broken the rule is all that is needed, if that? There is no emergency and a distracting blaring alarm.

Agreed. I find the colors and noises more dangerous than doing nothing. If they want to tell me something they can say it in English and I don’t have to take my eyes off the road.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

You obviously haven’t driven lately on our Interstate Highways. I just finished 18 hours straight coming and going. If you set FSD on MadMax, you quickly become a target for other drivers either tailing your ass or trying to pass the Cyber Truck as it set itself on 85 mph. I find it safer to bump the speed periodically to get ahead of the bunching up and what becomes an unsafe situation. The same way you drive a motorcycle if you want to stay alive.

In fact I drive the interstates when I go non trips and I haven’t had the kind of issues you are referring to. I never drive beyond Standard and rarely have to disengage. What states are people driving 100 in? They must really complain about range.

I did used to ride a motorcycle and I split lanes to stay safe. Yes, faster, but not 100.

 

[LDRHAWKE]

And police sirens are jarring when you're going 100.

You blew through the warning and then things escalated. Tesla is required by law to be very clear when you're not following prompts.

This issue has zero to do with the speed law. All of Tesla max speed controls allow you to exceed the speed limits if you so desire. It is about safety of a very distracting unsafe unnecessary alarm.

In fact I drive the interstates when I go non trips and I haven’t had the kind of issues you are referring to. I never drive beyond Standard and rarely have to disengage. What states are people driving 100 in? They must really complain about range.

I did used to ride a motorcycle and I split lanes to stay safe. Yes, faster, but not 100.

Where have I said anything about driving 100mph? I find it amazing how facts get so distorted.

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