I just got a speeding ticket in FSD Hurry Mode for 9 miles over.

[Jhodgesatmb]

I trust Tesla engineers about safety, and trust they actually know more than our crooked government. Their safety record is very well documented and open source improved upon.

I am a bit surprised that you agree with me on this. There is no question that Tesla hardware and occupant safety for Tesla vehicles has been very high. The FSD software stack is increasing the need for the great Tesla safety hardware to do its job. I want the Tesla FSD team to be as safety conscious/focused as it’s hardware engineers.

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[georgek43]

I am a bit surprised that you agree with me on this. There is no question that Tesla hardware and occupant safety for Tesla vehicles has been very high. The FSD software stack is increasing the need for the great Tesla safety hardware to do its job. I want the Tesla FSD team to be as safety conscious/focused as it’s hardware engineers.

Our CT vehicles are physically super safe but our software is not. I’d sure like to believe that Tesla is fully focussed on safety BUT speed management in our FSD14 software is terrible. Speed is the second biggest factor in crashes and yet the vehicles go way too fast or way too slow in way too many situations no matter what ‘speed profile’ is selected. We had a working speed management system with the scroll wheel and they ‘improved’ it so that it’s now dangerous, not safer. If they’re really so safety conscious, they’d pay better attention to causes of crashes:
94% to 96% of auto crashes are caused by driver-related factors, with distracted driving, speeding, and impairment being the three leading causes.
CrashStats - NHTSA (.gov)

• Distracted Driving: This is the leading cause of crashes, which takes focus away from the road.
• Speeding: Driving too fast for conditions or over the limit reduces reaction time and increases accident severity, or too slow for conditions triggers road rage and aggressive driving by other drivers.
• Impaired Driving: Driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs significantly slows reaction times and impairs judgment
• 
  FSD can significantly reduce the biggest cause (distracted driving) as the AI is always attending to the road. But the overall safety factor is significantly reduced if the AI cannot manage a safe or legal speed- which it cannot. I don’t think the AI is ever impaired by alcohol or drugs
  
  I’d sure like to see Tesla fix the speed management issue before government regulators force a fix that not of us will like
• Bring back the scroll wheel speed set.

 

[Beyond]

Bring back the scroll wheel speed set.

Speed control works great in FSD13. All the improvements of FSD14 are way overshadowed by the abject failure of speed management in the ludicrous speed profile system. It’s over complicated and broke a working system that did not need improvement. They ‘fixed’ something that wasn’t broken.

Bring back the scroll wheel speed set.

Agreed, bring back Max Speed Control. Phil Duan thought it was a great idea to eliminate it. He's an idiot. Right scroll wheel: push right-left for speed profiles and scroll up and down for max speed. Simple.

 

[cbertgo]

I too wish FSD had a setting where you could set the upper speed with a click of a button when you’re on self driving in any mode. This is three points on my license..

You have to supervise. Would you drive 9 miles over without FSD? Use standard mode unless you know the ares where the traffic flow warrants exceeding the posted speed limit. No tears here.

 

[REM]

This seems like the opposite approach they should have taken. If they want to know why people choose what speed they do they should be looking at where the truck is and what is around it when the driver changes speed. NOT just guessing and seeing if the driver intervenes.

This behavior made me turn off FSD altogether and go back to regular cruise control because it was so bad. Now they don't get any data from me because I refuse to be a guinea pig risking my safety and my license.

Until full autonomous driving is both legal and I personally am convinced it works in that capacity I won't be using FSD anymore.

I'm looking at getting another Tesla for my wife but I definitely won't be getting the FSD subscription for her. It is just way too reckless with it's speed choices.

seems paradoxical and melodramatic coming from "Chaos Marine", don't you think?

 

[meinnovations]

So you are saying Tesla is designing FSD to purposefully nullify their top priority? that doesn't make sense.

Tesla moved on from allowing us to set specific speed limits because that type of control doesn't help them train and perfect the context around why people choose to go faster or slower than the speed limit in certain circumstances.

We take for granted how easy it is for us to naturally understand contextual clues on how to behave in the world around us. For a machine, it's obviously a very difficult problem to solve and we are just now starting to enter the "march of 9's" on this specific issue.

You write as if you have insight into the decisions top Tesla executives make. Is that true? I understand Tesla wants to test its algorithms, but I do not recall signing up to be a beta tester to let them dictate how I get from point A to B, let alone be subject to speeding tickets and liability in the event their testing fails and property is damaged and/or me, my loved ones, or someone else's loved ones end up injured or dead. This also seems antithetical to attaining the confidence of consumers, NHTSB, and others that driverless vehicles are safe. We already have targets on our vehicles. Not having the ability to set a never to exceed speed makes it worse.

 

[REM]

You write as if you have insight into the decisions top Tesla executives make. Is that true? I understand Tesla wants to test its algorithms, but I do not recall signing up to be a beta tester to let them dictate how I get from point A to B, let alone be subject to speeding tickets and liability in the event their testing fails and property is damaged and/or me, my loved ones, or someone else's loved ones end up injured or dead. This also seems antithetical to attaining the confidence of consumers, NHTSB, and others that driverless vehicles are safe. We already have targets on our vehicles. Not having the ability to set a never to exceed speed makes it worse.

sounds like you agreed to terms of service that you didn't read or didn't understand?

 

[Tecyber1]

I too wish FSD had a setting where you could set the upper speed with a click of a button when you’re on self driving in any mode. This is three points on my license..

Duh! I think most of us have said it since the FSD update to these ridiculous modes. Anything above standard is saying "IDGAF about the laws, let's go" so not shocked at all you got pulled over but you took the risk so....

Getting rid of the ability to control the speed via the wheel is typical Tesla stupidity.

 

[chaosmarine92]

seems paradoxical and melodramatic coming from "Chaos Marine", don't you think?

Thank you for informing me that you don't have anything useful to add to this discussion and I can ignore anything you say from here on out.

 

[HaulingAss]

Duh! I think most of us have said it since the FSD update to these ridiculous modes. Anything above standard is saying "IDGAF about the laws, let's go" so not shocked at all you got pulled over but you took the risk so....

Here's the thing: Tesla could make FSD rigidly adhere to the speed limit at all times but the pushback would be hoards of people, Telsa and non-Tesla drivers alike, whining louder than a fleet of 747s talking off. That would be worse than listening to the handfulls of people whining that it goes too fast.

It would also be less safe as there are numerous studies showing that traffic is most safe when everyone is going the same speed. Speed differentials cause more accidents. The last thing Telsa needs is a pack of angry drivers stuck behind a slow-moving Tesla. The fact that it's going the speed limit isn't going to mollify anyone.

 

[meinnovations]

Bring back the scroll wheel speed set.

There’s a ton of justifying Tesla’s decision to remove the scroll wheel speed set. It’s total BS. Speed profiles are a huge fail- I don’t care about Tesla testing autonomy- they can do that in their own vehicles. I do not want to be a test dummy while their system ‘learns.’

Bring back the scroll wheel speed set.

Speed profiles are dangerous and quite probably illegal- they certainly operate the vehicle illegally on a regular basis. I don’t suppose Tesla offered to pay your speeding fine and hire an attorney to clear your points?

Bring back the scroll wheel speed set.

Again, the speed profiles are dangerous, nerve racking, stupid, require far too much driver input and you still cannot precisely manage speed. The AI certainly cannot manage speed in any safe and legal way, AND IT NEVER WILL because the speed limit data in incorrect in so many locations. It needs a driver override. It had an excellent one in FSD13. ‘Difficult learning’ is no excuse for bad programming and really bad management decisions.

Bring back the scroll wheel speed set.

Speed control works great in FSD13. All the improvements of FSD14 are way overshadowed by the abject failure of speed management in the ludicrous speed profile system. It’s over complicated and broke a working system that did not need improvement. They ‘fixed’ something that wasn’t broken.

Bring back the scroll wheel speed set.

Hear! Hear! It will be interesting to see how long the "go fast and break things" mentality will last until petitions, lost sales, accidents, and/or class action suits roll it back, or they get smart with their PR risk assessment and do it themselves before they set back FSD another couple years. It's sad that they don't realize they *could* have it both ways by simply rolling back to scroll wheel "speed never to exceed" functionality (including the option to hit the accelerator to temporarily exceed the set speed) and set the profile elsewhere. It seems clear from this discussion that there will be plenty of folks who choose not to set a speed limit. I personally like the Mad Max setting in traffic because it's the only profile that does not leave enough space for people to cut in front of you, effectively moving you backwards in traffic while also changing lanes to advance when opportunities availed. As soon as you get out of traffic, however, there's no limit and it camps in the "keep right except to pass" lane (even if no traffic in the right 3 lanes) making you a triple (doge machine, speeding, and camping in the passing lane) target for tickets. In my initial testing in Feb, chill = speed limit, standard = 110% (60->67 of SL, hurry = 120% (60->72), and mad max no limit I was willing to test (110% on I5 in WA can attract blue lights, though the farther you go S on I5 the faster you can go). Lately, however, I've seen 120% in standard. I haven't kept track of versions. I just can't rely on FSD. Another thing they could enable is turning off FSD without stopping so you can switch to good 'ol adaptive cc when FSD needs more supervision than just old school driving.

 

[Tecyber1]

Here's the thing: Tesla could make FSD rigidly adhere to the speed limit at all times but the pushback would be hoards of people, Telsa and non-Tesla drivers alike, whining louder than a fleet of 747s talking off. That would be worse than listening to the handfulls of people whining that it goes too fast.

It would also be less safe as there are numerous studies showing that traffic is most safe when everyone is going the same speed. Speed differentials cause more accidents. The last thing Telsa needs is a pack of angry drivers stuck behind a slow-moving Tesla. The fact that it's going the speed limit isn't going to mollify anyone.

So bring back the control by wheel...solved. Or allow the driver to choose. Then again we are talking about a company who can do AMAZING things then be incapable of telling your groceries in the front seat isn't a human and to stop beeping for seatbelt use. smgdh!

 

[CyberGus]

Wait until FSD tries to cope with one of these

 

[CyberGus]

I trust Tesla engineers about safety, and trust they actually know more than our crooked government. Their safety record is very well documented and open source improved upon.

"The safety and well-being of our customers is our highest priority."

- Every company ever, while defending a product-liability lawsuit​

 

[REM]

Thank you for informing me that you don't have anything useful to add to this discussion and I can ignore anything you say from here on out.

So apparently you don't have a sense of humor either.

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