V3 Gateway Vs $700 Shop Credit Vs 6-months free super charging

[Woodrick]

I actually missed that part, Now it sounds as 2x Universal Wall Connectors are included (if accepting the Powershare Home backup kit). Now I'm sure at least 1 x UWC is included.

But do we get 2 x UWC if we accept the gateway?

The Universal Wall Connector = Permanently hard wired in to your wall. This device is weatherproof and can also be mounted outside of the home, if you park in the driveway.

Power Share Mobile Connector = Your on the go (or at home) charging cord. This can plug in to a standard 110v or 220v. It can also be used to share power from the truck bed plug in the CT to charge another EV.

Power Share Mobile Connector should have been in the vehicle when you picked it up, probably in the underbed storage.

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[dandor]

Thats great info thank you, I had no idea Ford system is that expensive!! Thats why when it comes to the V3 Gateway it's much more complicated than just the simple 220V mounted home charging cord.

Have you looked into any other Bi-Directional charging units and pricing? How do any other V2H or V2L capable brands (beside Ford) do it: VolksWagon, Kia, Hyundai, Nissan, Ram (soon), etc.. I'm thinking long-term when we sell our homes in the future. Our branded setup to feed power into our home will need to eventually be universal. I would think all systems would/should work with any bi-directional capable vehicle minus the need to purchase a plug adapter.

Same as Tesla can use any charging network with an adapter and vise-versa as other brands are now accepted on the Tesla network also need an adapter. Otherwise in the future selling a home will be a nightmare if our homes become car brand & type specific, forcing us to only sell only to other Tesla CT owners, or having to rip out the entire system to bring it with us as the system would be worthless to any other V2H capable vehicle.

V2L is just for powering something like an appliance off of a car. Believe it is just 16 amp. This is just a temporary thing before most cars do V2H.

V2H is just Ford Lightening, Tesla Cybertruck, Nissan Leaf, and I believe the Kia EV9 and Rvian R1 has the hardware onboard to do V2H.

Good luck on having a universal V2H solution. It took us well over a decade to decide on the NACS charging standard in the US. If there was one future proof system for universal V2H, the Tesla Gateway would be it. With the NACS on all vehicles in the future, it is the best bet going forward. If you want to use the Nissan Leaf, you need an expensive unit like the Quaser that specifically is designed for the 7.2 kW CHAdeMO.

The Tesla Gateway is paired with the Universal Tesla Charger with an integrated J1772 adapter, so maybe plans on opening V2H up for other cars in the future.

 

[CyberNickOH]

In case anyone is wondering, when I called Tesla yesterday I asked about the order options now allowing you to pick PowerShare equipment, $700 store credit or free SC and I was told that incentives are at the time of order and not retro to prior orders. I want the 700 credit to buy a charger and treat the mobile as mobile.

I received this justification of the 3800 install costs for PowerShare.

1. In order to do a full home backup - both of your AC units require a soft start to be added due the lock rotor amps - this is a limitation of the gateway and the only other option is to do a partial home backup and exclude your AC units. Going this route would require us to rework circuits and add a subpanel which in the end would cost more than the soft start and not allow you to use your AC on backup.
2. You have approximately a 70ft run from your panel to your garage (we actually have about another 10 feet here that we'll need to run up the gateway located by your meter that we didn't add in). We can reuse your existing conduit but the wire you have isn't sufficient for 60 amps and will need to be replaced with 6/3 TCER per NEC Code. This is the Tier 7 you see in the proposal - typically a Tier 7 installation for us is $1600 we discounted this reflect the time/material savings from reusing your existing conduit.
3. Permit fees - We're expecting permit costs to be between 150-250 on these depending on the municipality. The rest of the cost comes from a service we use to handle permits to reduce our admin time involved. The first one we did actually came out to 380 in total cost, we're taking a bit of a loss in some cases.
4. For the powershare installation, we're expecting this take 8-10 hours this includes commissioning which will take some time along with testing the system which may require a second visit if customers don't have the cybertruck prior to installation.

I have a 6g wire run for the 14-50, so the installation and routing is there, maybe an hour to run new 6/3 90 degrees. Which will cost me, at retail, $300. I plan to do that and get the universal, then when a V3 is available, I can wire it in myself.

 

[GatorCyber]

In case anyone is wondering, when I called Tesla yesterday I asked about the order options now allowing you to pick PowerShare equipment, $700 store credit or free SC and I was told that incentives are at the time of order and not retro to prior orders. I want the 700 credit to buy a charger and treat the mobile as mobile.

I received this justification of the 3800 install costs for PowerShare.

1. In order to do a full home backup - both of your AC units require a soft start to be added due the lock rotor amps - this is a limitation of the gateway and the only other option is to do a partial home backup and exclude your AC units. Going this route would require us to rework circuits and add a subpanel which in the end would cost more than the soft start and not allow you to use your AC on backup.
2. You have approximately a 70ft run from your panel to your garage (we actually have about another 10 feet here that we'll need to run up the gateway located by your meter that we didn't add in). We can reuse your existing conduit but the wire you have isn't sufficient for 60 amps and will need to be replaced with 6/3 TCER per NEC Code. This is the Tier 7 you see in the proposal - typically a Tier 7 installation for us is $1600 we discounted this reflect the time/material savings from reusing your existing conduit.
3. Permit fees - We're expecting permit costs to be between 150-250 on these depending on the municipality. The rest of the cost comes from a service we use to handle permits to reduce our admin time involved. The first one we did actually came out to 380 in total cost, we're taking a bit of a loss in some cases.
4. For the powershare installation, we're expecting this take 8-10 hours this includes commissioning which will take some time along with testing the system which may require a second visit if customers don't have the cybertruck prior to installation.

I have a 6g wire run for the 14-50, so the installation and routing is there, maybe an hour to run new 6/3 90 degrees. Which will cost me, at retail, $300. I plan to do that and get the universal, then when a V3 is available, I can wire it in myself.

The fact that none of the quotes we are getting are detailed time and material is proof they are bullshit. If you call an electrician to install some outlets, run lights, etc, they are going to charge you time and material. If they quote you a flat fee, you are getting hosed as they have to greatly pad the number to make sure they make money.
That explanation is more bullshit and doesn't list (hours * rate), nor does it list the cost of any materials.
I hope everyone tells their annointed Tesla installer to shove it and takes the SuC or $700 credit to send a message.

 

[X-Press-O]

V2L is just for powering something like an appliance off of a car. Believe it is just 16 amp. This is just a temporary thing before most cars do V2H.

V2H is just Ford Lightening, Tesla Cybertruck, Nissan Leaf, and I believe the Kia EV9 and Rvian R1 has the hardware onboard to do V2H.

Good luck on having a universal V2H solution. It took us well over a decade to decide on the NACS charging standard in the US. If there was one future proof system for universal V2H, the Tesla Gateway would be it. With the NACS on all vehicles in the future, it is the best bet going forward. If you want to use the Nissan Leaf, you need an expensive unit like the Quaser that specifically is designed for the 7.2 kW CHAdeMO.

The Tesla Gateway is paired with the Universal Tesla Charger with an integrated J1772 adapter, so maybe plans on opening V2H up for other cars in the future.

I appreciate your info, as now I see the bigger picture in a different light. Since the gateway is not "universal" & only works with the CT, if you plan to pay ($4k++ to install) you really must have a long-term commitment for it to pay itself back. I guess this would also greatly depend what your full use intentions are for the system.

If you already have solar panels (without Powerwall) & plan to use the CT as a rolling Powerwall, then this system will pay for itself extremely fast taking your home off of the grid, powered by Solar in the daytime and by the CT at night. But I would also worry about how much wear & tear, how much this would degrade the CT batteries always having power flowing in both directions daily.

If you do not have solar panels installed & only plan to use the CT as backup power during grid failure (up to 2-4 days maybe?) then the gateway + install may not be the best investment (unless you live in an area where the grid is prone to go down often, for short periods). If your grid is stable then the Gateway for backup power only is probably not the best solution compared to a home generator system that will serve the same purpose can stay in place, add home value, run endlessly with fuel & universally passed to the next owner.

 

[dandor]

I appreciate your info, as now I see the bigger picture in a different light. Since the gateway is not "universal" & only works with the CT, if you plan to pay ($4k++ to install) you really must have a long-term commitment for it to pay itself back. I guess this would also greatly depend what your full use intentions are for the system.

If you want this to pay itself back, then don't get it. This is an emergency back-up only. Many people buy gas generators well over $12,000 installed for back-up. This type of system will never "pay itself back." It is a thing of convenience only. This is what Powershare is as well. It will also only work in power outages. You can't use Poweshare as a Powerwall and use it whenever you want.

I paid $4200 to have a 48 amp charger, which I needed and also the luxury of having electricity during a power outage. The "pay back" may be my sanity if power is out for 10 hours and my girls are complaining about nothing to do. With this system, my girls could power their computers and Xbox to play video games. We could also cook and have air conditioning when the rest of the neighborhood is in darkness.

 

[X-Press-O]

In case anyone is wondering, when I called Tesla yesterday I asked about the order options now allowing you to pick PowerShare equipment, $700 store credit or free SC and I was told that incentives are at the time of order and not retro to prior orders. I want the 700 credit to buy a charger and treat the mobile as mobile.

I received this justification of the 3800 install costs for PowerShare.

1. In order to do a full home backup - both of your AC units require a soft start to be added due the lock rotor amps - this is a limitation of the gateway and the only other option is to do a partial home backup and exclude your AC units. Going this route would require us to rework circuits and add a subpanel which in the end would cost more than the soft start and not allow you to use your AC on backup.
2. You have approximately a 70ft run from your panel to your garage (we actually have about another 10 feet here that we'll need to run up the gateway located by your meter that we didn't add in). We can reuse your existing conduit but the wire you have isn't sufficient for 60 amps and will need to be replaced with 6/3 TCER per NEC Code. This is the Tier 7 you see in the proposal - typically a Tier 7 installation for us is $1600 we discounted this reflect the time/material savings from reusing your existing conduit.
3. Permit fees - We're expecting permit costs to be between 150-250 on these depending on the municipality. The rest of the cost comes from a service we use to handle permits to reduce our admin time involved. The first one we did actually came out to 380 in total cost, we're taking a bit of a loss in some cases.
4. For the powershare installation, we're expecting this take 8-10 hours this includes commissioning which will take some time along with testing the system which may require a second visit if customers don't have the cybertruck prior to installation.

I have a 6g wire run for the 14-50, so the installation and routing is there, maybe an hour to run new 6/3 90 degrees. Which will cost me, at retail, $300. I plan to do that and get the universal, then when a V3 is available, I can wire it in myself.

From my understanding with the Foundation package, regardless if you decline the Powershare system (UWC & V3 Gateway) or not we should still receive a Universal Wall Connector (UWC) & the Mobile Power Connector. Which means if you take the $700 store credit you don't have to waste the credit to buy a UWC.

This is confusing because on the config page under category "PowerShare Home Backup" it says included the UWC & V3 Gateway. When you go to bottom of the order page above the payment button the category "Charging" says included the UWC & Mobile Power cord.

To me it sounds, if we accept the Powershare system we should actually receive 2 x UWC as its listed twice.

 

[CyberNickOH]

I don't think I've heard anyone get the UWC connector if declining PS. In fact, the order page for UWC says it has to be installed by a certified Tesla installer. So I'm worried that if I buy it, they will only ship it 1 of them and not me directly. Even though I could probably hook it up myself in 15 minutes.

 

[X-Press-O]

If you want this to pay itself back, then don't get it. This is an emergency back-up only. Many people buy gas generators well over $12,000 installed for back-up. This type of system will never "pay itself back." It is a thing of convenience only. This is what Powershare is as well. It will also only work in power outages. You can't use Poweshare as a Powerwall and use it whenever you want.

I paid $4200 to have a 48 amp charger, which I needed and also the luxury of having electricity during a power outage. The "pay back" may be my sanity if power is out for 10 hours and my girls are complaining about nothing to do. With this system, my girls could power their computers and Xbox to play video games. We could also cook and have air conditioning when the rest of the neighborhood is in darkness.

From my understanding as long as you have solar panels only you 100% can use the CT as a replacement to the Powerwall providing off the grid daily power to your home. They say the CT is same as having 9-10 Powerwalls installed in the home.

I don't think I've heard anyone get the UWC connector if declining PS. In fact, the order page for UWC says it has to be installed by a certified Tesla installer. So I'm worried that if I buy it, they will only ship it 1 of them and not me directly. Even though I could probably hook it up myself in 15 minutes.

Thats actually really sad if Tesla is being that stingy to require someone authorized to simply install a wall mounted charging cord? Next thing Tesla will say is to use the Mobile power cord a Tesla employee must verify each outlet you plan to plug it into. The UWC is nothing special it's just a hard wired 220V "Universal" charging cord with a Tesla cover over it. This charging cord is "Universal" can be used for any brand or type of EV (with plug adapter). This same "Tesla" UWC can be purchased directly from Best Buy for $450 and easy hard wired by any electrician as it only requires running a 220v wire and attaching it to the wall. Regardless if the UWC is "Tesla" branded or any other brand of UWC, at end of the day the UWC is simply just a wall mounted 220v EV charging cable.

When it comes to the Gateway to transfer power from the CT back to the home that's a different story as I now learned from Dandor this is not a "Universal" piece of equipment and can only be used by the CT or a Tesla Powerwall. No other type of EV with Bi-directional capability is able to plug-in to the V3 Gateway.

If you own both Ford Lighting & CT only the CT can send power to the Tesla Gateway & Lighting can only send power to the Ford Gateway. But... if you have a Tesla UWC this same charging cord can provide power to both the Lighting or the CT.

 

[GatorCyber]

Tesla UWC is $620 and has both NACS and J1772 plugs and is needed for backup. The $450 wall connector is NACS only, and doens't enable bakup

 

[X-Press-O]

Tesla UWC is $620 and has both NACS and J1772 plugs and is needed for backup. The $450 wall connector is NACS only, and doens't enable bakup

Ahhh ok thank you for clarification. You are 100% correct! now I see it very clear. The $620 UWC looks very similar to the Wall Charger with the exception the UWC includes the "Powershare" icon at the bottom of the device to identify it as a bi-directional charger.

The $450 Wall charger sold in the Tesla shop, best buy etc... is the typical one-way, 220V wall charging power cord.

Now when I look at the CT order page it's still misleading, but it seems Tesla should be including the $650 UWC & V3 Gateway (Powershare kit, w/option to decline) "&" the $450 Wall Charger & $250 Mobile Connector.

 

[dandor]

From my understanding as long as you have solar panels only you 100% can use the CT as a replacement to the Powerwall providing off the grid daily power to your home. They say the CT is same as having 9-10 Powerwalls installed in the home.

I think you are confusing Powershare capabilities and Powerwall. Powershare is only available, well not until June, for power when you have a power outage. Here is a video to help you.

 

[X-Press-O]

I think you are confusing Powershare capabilities and Powerwall. Powershare is only available, well not until June, for power when you have a power outage. Here is a video to help you.

Great video that does clear up allot. All of this hardware is very similar and very easy to confuse the purpose & use of each piece of hardware, more so with so much misinformation out there as most of us are confused. I did hear at timestamp 7:02 they said the system was designed to work with other non-Tesla capable vehicles using the same adaptor. That is great news for the future when we want to sell our homes, we should be able to leave the system in place, adding value to our homes as the system (in future) can be used by other non-Tesla EV owners. This key piece of information which makes me feel more at ease to spend the extra money to have it installed.

 

[CyberNickOH]

Since NACS is sort of winning the VHS/BetaMax/Bluray/HD-DVD options, I don’t think the value of a universal outlet has much value. I mean can the standard mobile charger be used to charge a Rivian, with appropriate adapter, until NACS comes standard.

The backup option of the UWC is the real value, if important to you. I only have power flickers at my house, so this option is worthless.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

If you want this to pay itself back, then don't get it. This is an emergency back-up only. Many people buy gas generators well over $12,000 installed for back-up. This type of system will never "pay itself back." It is a thing of convenience only. This is what Powershare is as well. It will also only work in power outages. You can't use Poweshare as a Powerwall and use it whenever you want.

I paid $4200 to have a 48 amp charger, which I needed and also the luxury of having electricity during a power outage. The "pay back" may be my sanity if power is out for 10 hours and my girls are complaining about nothing to do. With this system, my girls could power their computers and Xbox to play video games. We could also cook and have air conditioning when the rest of the neighborhood is in darkness.

Or the payback is when you sell your house as added value. I sold my house with a gas generator and xfer switch and the buyers' eyes lit up when i told him its a part of the sale. I got a premium on the sale. Maybe not because of that... but it certainly didn't hurt and I got my money back out of it.

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