CYBERTRUCK TIRE EATS A BOLT IN A REMOTE LOCATION ON SUNDAY MORNING

[M0unt41nm4n]

What I call duty cycle is on time/ total time, but some sites refer to max on time as duty cycle.
10 minutes on 20 minutes off is a 33% duty cycle. So is 1 hour on 2 off, but that will cook a non-continuous duty unit.

A larger tank takes longer to fill and to empty so both the on time and off time increase proportionately. Like you mention, too large a tank will cause it to exceed the max on time.

If the tank is prefilled and the compressor specifically does not refill it at the end, it reduces the required compressor run time, but that's different from typical operation.

Yep We were saying the same thing.

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[Cyber Man]

Love this thread. I was always under the impression that a spare is needed for off-roading. Learnt several things from this thread and added Amazon products into wish list for further research.

My 2 cents - I think Tesla did miss adding a repair kit on FS. If they are adding $20K worth accessories, I would rather have a good repair kit as part of accessories instead of some other accessory that’s “good to have”. These things cost $100-$300 on Amazon. Tesla could have just added one and said spare tire not needed, just use this. Problem solved! The OP wouldn’t be stranded.

Anyway, I’m convinced that I don’t need a spare tire. I’ll probably go with the kit that @CyberGus has.

 

[mongo]

My 2 cents - I think Tesla did miss adding a repair kit on FS. If they are adding $20K worth accessories, I would rather have a good repair kit as part of accessories instead of some other accessory that’s “good to have”. These things cost $100-$300 on Amazon. Tesla could have just added one and said spare tire not needed, just use this. Problem solved! The OP wouldn’t be stranded.

If they had, that might open them to liability for improper use and any resulting damage/ injury.

 

[Cyber Man]

If they had, that might open them to liability for improper use and any resulting damage/ injury.

I meant Tesla should have included this accessory as part of FS 20K upgrade - https://shop.tesla.com/product/cybertruck-air-compressor-ultra-_-tire-repair-kit

Is that a liability concern? I'll be surprised. They are adding light bar as an accessory, and many states have different restrictions on that. I doubt a repair kit accessory would be a liability concern, but I'm not an expert on this. You might be correct.

 

[HaulingAss]

Love this thread. I was always under the impression that a spare is needed for off-roading. Learnt several things from this thread and added Amazon products into wish list for further research.

My 2 cents - I think Tesla did miss adding a repair kit on FS. If they are adding $20K worth accessories, I would rather have a good repair kit as part of accessories instead of some other accessory that’s “good to have”. These things cost $100-$300 on Amazon. Tesla could have just added one and said spare tire not needed, just use this. Problem solved! The OP wouldn’t be stranded.

Anyway, I’m convinced that I don’t need a spare tire. I just need a good repair kit and a nice compressor. I wish Tesla sold just this instead of selling repair kit with a spare tire. I’ll probably go with the kit that @CyberGus has.

You may be right. Travelling in the backcountry is a matter of knowing what the risks are, how to deal with them should they happen. Only you can determine what makes the most sense for your use case.

Be aware that an unrepairable flat tire is only one thing that can leave you immobile except by walking, hitching a ride with another backcountry traveler or summoning help via wireless means. Any vehicle, no matter how new, how reliable or how battle tested can fail in a way that you can't drive out, and you need to be prepared for that in addition to a flat tire (or two flat tires). I always carry enough water and gear to survive in relative comfort overnight, at a minimum.

In the "old days" tires went flat with disconcerting regularity, and tire plugs did not exist. This is when it became "common wisdom" that a spare tire was required backup. Now we have tires that can handle 10X the abuse without failing, and tire plugs and compressors to repair the most common flats. It changes the equation, but conventional wisdom is so ingrained, passed down from grandparents to grandchildren, that the industry was slow to change. And some people are naturally attracted to things that appear to make sense.

Spare tires are now largely a vestige of the past that we can't get rid of, even though they no longer make sense in 99% of use cases, because they are so ingrained into our history and culture. Change takes time. I have carried on the tradition of carrying a spare long past when it made sense, I still have one vehicle that has a spare. I haven't removed it, I plan to leave it there when we sell it. It was paid for 15 years ago, built into the price of the truck (along with the jack and lug wrench). Chances are the buyer will feel they need a spare, that's how ingrained this belief is in outomobile culture.

Once in a while a spare is handy. I recommend spares for drug smugglers travelling overland. The consequences of not having a spare and getting busted are too great. I recommend one or two spares for people who air down to 12-15 psi. Flats are common occurrences at those pressures, especially ones involving tears in the sidewall. I don't like dealing with flats, so I don't air down to pressures that low, if you air down that low, you probably like dealing with flats and should carry a spare in addition to a plugging kit.

Most ICE drivers don't carry spare starter motors, spare alternators, spare water pumps, spare ECU's, spare fuel pumps, spare belts. spare batteries, etc, etc. etc. If you do, you should probably carry a spare tire or two also. But most people, even those who venture off the beaten path, are better off using good tires and reliable equipment and dealing with unexpected failures if they happen through means other than trying to cover every possible failure point. Having water, communications, shelter from heat/cold, etc. is required equipment no matter how many spares you are packing.

In the end, each individual needs to decide what makes sense for themselves. Just know that erring on the side of covering every possible potential failure is not practical. Where you draw the line should be informed by relevant knowledge and data, not passed down knowledge based upon outdated situations and equipment.

 

[mongo]

I meant Tesla should have included this accessory as part of FS 20K upgrade - https://shop.tesla.com/product/cybertruck-air-compressor-ultra-_-tire-repair-kit

Is that a liability concern? I'll be surprised. They are adding light bar as an accessory, and many states have different restrictions on that. I doubt a repair kit accessory would be a liability concern, but I'm not an expert on this. You might be correct.

Oh, I thought you were taking about Amazon plug/ sidewall patch kits. The slime + inflator is much more people proof and a common vehicle accessory.

 

[HaulingAss]

I meant Tesla should have included this accessory as part of FS 20K upgrade - https://shop.tesla.com/product/cybertruck-air-compressor-ultra-_-tire-repair-kit

Is that a liability concern? I'll be surprised. They are adding light bar as an accessory, and many states have different restrictions on that. I doubt a repair kit accessory would be a liability concern, but I'm not an expert on this. You might be correct.

That's not even a good kit because it contains no tire plugs. A can of sealant is not a good substitute for tire plugs, even if you are willing to basically ruin the tire by filling it with slime.

Tire plugs take a little more knowledge to use properly, which is probably one reason why Tesla doesn't include them, but they are not THAT difficult if you have a basic understanding of how they work. And they are far more versatile, they can repair more kinds of tire damage, at least temporarily, than a can of slime (which can only be considered a temporary repair).

In any case, it looks like Tesla's inflator is not ready for distribution to the public for a few more months still.

 

[Cyber Man]

That's not even a good kit because it contains no tire plugs. A can of sealant is not a good substitute for tire plugs, even if you are willing to basically ruin the tire by filling it with slime.

Tire plugs take a little more knowledge to use properly, which is probably one reason why Tesla doesn't include them, but they are not THAT difficult if you have a basic understanding of how they work. And they are far more versatile, they can repair more kinds of tire damage, at least temporarily, than a can of slime (which can only be considered a temporary repair).

In any case, it looks like Tesla's inflator is not ready for distribution to the public for a few more months still.

Ugh! Makes sense. I want to cut some slack for Tesla as they have bigger fish to fry when it comes to CT, but not everyone is an expert on these tire repairs. After reading through this post, I think Tesla should have put more efforts to have a solid tire repair kit from get go to compensate the lack of spare tire. They have a sub optimal repair kit, and that’s also back ordered! People can buy these from Amazon, but that’s just another thing to figure out after spending 100K! I can totally imagine myself in OP’s place if it wasn’t this thread. My spare tire has saved me multiple times, but a tire repair kit is even better. I also ride a motorcycle, and it’s a different story there. People just buy new tires just because old tires were sitting around for couple of years. As there are only two contact points, riders don’t want to risk a blowout at 120 mph if tires are compromised. It makes sense to not repair tires often for motorcycle. So, I didn’t even consider the possibility of repair kits in general.

As you said, the traditional wisdom is passed on for ages and sometimes we just don’t question or take time to adapt.

One day hopefully we’ll have self-inflating and self-healing tires. ??

 

[Tony Roe]

First 4 things to purchase after you pick up your CT !

1. Amazon.com: Electric Car Floor Jack 5 Ton All-in-one Automatic 12V Scissor Lift Jack Set for SUV w/Remote Tire Change Repair Emergency Tool Kits Floor Jack for Vehicle Wheel Change (5T) : Automotive

2. PORTER-CABLE Impact Wrench, 450 lbs of Torque, 1/2 Inch Hog Ring, 7.5-Amp, Corded (PCE211) - Amazon.com

3. Amazon.com: Boulder Tools Heavy Duty Tire Repair Kit - Flat Tire Puncture Repair Kit - Professional Tools for Quick and Easy Repair - Suitable Tire Plug Kit for Car, Truck, RV, Motorcycle, Tractor, and Trailer : Automotive

4. Amazon.com: CRAFTSMAN V20 Tire Inflator, Portable Air Compressor, 3 Modes: Cordless, 120V Corded, and 12V Car Adapter, Air Pump, Battery Sold Separately (CMCE520B) : Automotive

And you are ALL Set !!!! I just need a Cybertruck to put this stuff in !!

T

 

[HaulingAss]

First 4 things to purchase after you pick up your CT !

1. Amazon.com: Electric Car Floor Jack 5 Ton All-in-one Automatic 12V Scissor Lift Jack Set for SUV w/Remote Tire Change Repair Emergency Tool Kits Floor Jack for Vehicle Wheel Change (5T) : Automotive

2. PORTER-CABLE Impact Wrench, 450 lbs of Torque, 1/2 Inch Hog Ring, 7.5-Amp, Corded (PCE211) - Amazon.com

3. Amazon.com: Boulder Tools Heavy Duty Tire Repair Kit - Flat Tire Puncture Repair Kit - Professional Tools for Quick and Easy Repair - Suitable Tire Plug Kit for Car, Truck, RV, Motorcycle, Tractor, and Trailer : Automotive

4. Amazon.com: CRAFTSMAN V20 Tire Inflator, Portable Air Compressor, 3 Modes: Cordless, 120V Corded, and 12V Car Adapter, Air Pump, Battery Sold Separately (CMCE520B) : Automotive

And you are ALL Set !!!! I just need a Cybertruck to put this stuff in !!

T

The tire plugging kit you listed is typically used with the wheel still attached to the vehicle. The impact wrench and scissor jack is not needed.

 

[Kliipsch0]

Holy cow that was a lot of reading ?

I must say, it does make sense to exclude the spare from the price of most new cars as it's not a necessity for most individuals. Moreso, anyone willing and able to jack up a car/truck and swap to a spare tire is surely able to patch/plug instead which is generally more simple and less expensive.

Question about the Tesla
AIR COMPRESSOR + TIRE REPAIR KIT 2.0
https://shop.tesla.com/product/air-compressor-_-tire-repair-kit-2_0?sku=1133009-00-B

Does it actually bring anything to repair a tire? Doesn't seem like it. It says it brings a "ONE-PIECE SEALANT CANISTER TO PATCH PUNCTURES". This sealant is doing the job of a plug/patch? What if the puncture is rather large, you pour a lot more sealant and hope it holds? Forgive my ignorance, I am new to this; all my previous cars have just had spare tires that I swap. I do tend to get punctures quite often (yearly almost), so this is important for me to understand.

Seems the tire plug/patches/kits and air compressors mentioned in this thread are all a better option than this Tesla tire repair kit. Please advise.

Thanks in advance. Cheers to the Cybertruck owners!

 

[mongo]

Holy cow that was a lot of reading ?

I must say, it does make sense to exclude the spare from the price of most new cars as it's not a necessity for most individuals. Moreso, anyone willing and able to jack up a car/truck and swap to a spare tire is surely able to patch/plug instead which is generally more simple and less expensive.

Question about the Tesla
AIR COMPRESSOR + TIRE REPAIR KIT 2.0
https://shop.tesla.com/product/air-compressor-_-tire-repair-kit-2_0?sku=1133009-00-B

Does it actually bring anything to repair a tire? Doesn't seem like it. It says it brings a "ONE-PIECE SEALANT CANISTER TO PATCH PUNCTURES". This sealant is doing the job of a plug/patch? What if the puncture is rather large, you pour a lot more sealant and hope it holds? Forgive my ignorance, I am new to this; all my previous cars have just had spare tires that I swap. I do tend to get punctures quite often (yearly almost), so this is important for me to understand.

Seems the tire plug/patches/kits and air compressors mentioned in this thread are all a better option than this Tesla tire repair kit. Please advise.

Thanks in advance. Cheers to the Cybertruck owners!

It's basically a can of fix-a-flat to temporarily seal small leaks from the inside: "Note: This product is only intended as a temporary fix. See a tire specialist as soon as possible or before driving a maximum distance of 186 miles (300 km) on a repaired tire. If the puncture exceeds 0.24 inches (6 mm) in diameter and/or if additional punctures are found in other places on the tire tread, do not use and contact roadside assistance. Do not leave the compressor on for more than 20 consecutive minutes. The damaged tire should be replaced, along with the TPMS sensor, at your earliest convenience. Replacement tire and TPMS sensor are not covered under Tesla vehicle warranty."

 

[Tony Roe]

I’m old school. Fix & forget. The tire sealants used for tire repair coats everything and makes a big mess and clean up is intense. If you can find the leak of a tire on the vehicle, by all means Plug it On the vehicle. If not remove it, plug it and put it back on the way you Go !!
I, on long trips always bring tire repair items listed in my original post. A Jack, electric impact gun & Repair Kit WITH extra rubber Glue. Even with a spare onboard.

T

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Before I even got my truck, I bought this well-reviewed patch kit:

https://a.co/d/632eXwU

I've already used it, but not on the Cybertruck hahahaha. It plugged a nail puncture well, didn't even need to jack it or remove the tire.

I also have a battery-powered compressor, but based on my tests, I would need to recharge it at least once to fill a completely flat tire lol

Will a patch kit even work on a BEV tire with those foam liners?

 

[CyberGus]

Will a patch kit even work on a BEV tire with those foam liners?

A plug will work just fine.

When a tire shop installs a permanent patch on the inside, they are supposed to cut away the foam liner around the puncture so that the patch can make contact with the rubber.

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