Tones of V4 Supercharger Working In Progress

[Speedr]

Not sure why anyone would handicap themselves with the 120v. I do it when we rent a house somewhere for vacation, since it's free juice and usually we're in the middle of nowhere. But it's always a pain, and you use "mental" energy just keeping tabs on it. I know a few people just install a 240v outlet and use the supplied portable charger, but even that is a slight compromise in aesthetics and ease of use.

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[Woodrick]

Not sure why anyone would handicap themselves with the 120v. I do it when we rent a house somewhere for vacation, since it's free juice and usually we're in the middle of nowhere. But it's always a pain, and you use "mental" energy just keeping tabs on it. I know a few people just install a 240v outlet and use the supplied portable charger, but even that is a slight compromise in aesthetics and ease of use.

NACS is now the standard. Now that you have an EV, you're always going to have at least one EV! Just bite the bullet and get a Wall Charger installed. You won't regret it!!

In many situations, going with 120V becomes an option when faced with $5,000+ installation bills. When electrical panels are on the other end of the house and when they are not large enough to add 60A, then the price starts to increase dramatically.
And then there's the multi-family locations, where you may be lucky to get 120V.

I'm not sure why there is a difference in ease of use. If you leave a mobile connector plugged into the wall, it's the exact same use. Compromise in aesthetics? It's a garage.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't get a higher current charger if is cheap enough. What I'm saying is that it is far from being "required" to own an EV.

 

[Speedr]

In many situations, going with 120V becomes an option when faced with $5,000+ installation bills. When electrical panels are on the other end of the house and when they are not large enough to add 60A, then the price starts to increase dramatically.
And then there's the multi-family locations, where you may be lucky to get 120V.

I'm not sure why there is a difference in ease of use. If you leave a mobile connector plugged into the wall, it's the exact same use. Compromise in aesthetics? It's a garage.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't get a higher current charger if is cheap enough. What I'm saying is that it is far from being "required" to own an EV.

Absolutely it is not required! I hope I didn't come across that way.

I was just saying that if it isn't CRAZY (ala $5,000), go ahead and get it. As far as aesthetics, I was referring to spending the $450 to get the wall charger vs. the $250 for the mobile connector. That way, you have a solution that was specifically made for it, vs. using the mobile connector with a garden hose hanger and some other mechanism to hold the charger. Plus, you're not going to pull it out of the wall or have it get knocked off either.

Again, to each his own, I was just giving my opinion. I've owned an EV for over 10 years, and a Tesla for 7. I distinctly remember the feeling when I finally installed the wall charger, and kicking myself for not doing it sooner...

 

[AlmostHuman]

@Woodrick I think what many of us are trying to say is that using a 120 volt 15 amp outlet for changing is simply more annoying than most of us are willing to deal with. I’m happy it works for you and happy it works for others.

I also like the challenge of seeing if I can make some situations work, enjoy that kind of game. I love stats and tracking various data. Playing the “can I make 120 volt 15 amp plug work” would be fun until we really wanted to drive

I do think that most people would find it more annoying than simply going to a gas station once or twice a week. That is just my opinion.

I do wonder if we could find some stats on how many people actually use a 120 volt 15 amp outlet has there primary charging source.

 

[kpanda17]

Guys, for max 350 kw potential charging, is the Electrify America the only option? Still now full front and backend V4 350 kw from Tesla?

 

[AlmostHuman]

Guys, for max 350 kw potential charging, is the Electrify America the only option? Still now full front and backend V4 350 kw from Tesla?

That is my understanding.

 

[mongo]

I was just saying that if it isn't CRAZY (ala $5,000), go ahead and get it. As far as aesthetics, I was referring to spending the $450 to get the wall charger vs. the $250 for the mobile connector.

Need to look at total install cost also.
Mobile Connector + 14-50 outlet + GFCI breaker (code requirement in a lot of places)
Wall Connector + standard breaker

Wall Connector now also supports dynamic power management to avoid overloading your main panel.

Plus convenience, do you travel with your mobile connector?

 

[Woodrick]

@Woodrick I think what many of us are trying to say is that using a 120 volt 15 amp outlet for changing is simply more annoying than most of us are willing to deal with. I’m happy it works for you and happy it works for others.

And that's what I'm talking about, it's not annoying. In most cases, it is NO DIFFERENT than charging at 240V 48A. (Again, I'm not talking about Cybertruck here)

For most people, the battery will be just as full in the morning at 120V 15A as it is when charging at 240V 48A.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

Need to look at total install cost also.
Mobile Connector + 14-50 outlet + GFCI breaker (code requirement in a lot of places)
Wall Connector + standard breaker

Wall Connector now also supports dynamic power management to avoid overloading your main panel.

Plus convenience, do you travel with your mobile connector?

Yep... you hit all the markers for me.

I want the mobile charger on the road with me for that just-in-case situation. I got super lucky, my electrical installation was about $370.00 (parts and labor). To top that off my utility company gives me a Charge Point Home Flex NACS charger for free and the pay for my installation. That now allows me to use my Tesla $2500 on more fun stuff.

But most importantly, what a pleasure it was to charge 8% in a little over an hour. Before, it was a full day event. When I went from 45%-80%, it was like 4 days. Pure misery.

 

[Woodrick]

Guys, for max 350 kw potential charging, is the Electrify America the only option? Still now full front and backend V4 350 kw from Tesla?

Actually, I believe that the answer is no. Charging a Cybertruck from an EA pedestal is not supported.

ChargePoint has a 500 kW pedestals listed in their commercial fleet offerings. Momentum Groups has a 360kW.

Up until now, it's really been Porsche pushing for 350kW and they put their money behind EA.

V4 is not a well defined term. There seems to be multiple pedestals that fit in the V4 concept.
And yes, these are all 250kW at this time.

There's something up Tesla's sleeve though. Hopefully in the next few months, it will be revealed.

 

[mongo]

And that's what I'm talking about, it's not annoying. In most cases, it is NO DIFFERENT than charging at 240V 48A. (Again, I'm not talking about Cybertruck here)

For most people, the battery will be just as full in the morning at 120V 15A as it is when charging at 240V 48A.

But this is a Cybertruck centric forum.
If I get home from a trip at 10pm Sunday night at 10%, best case senario (no non-charging load, 100% efficiency) at 9 am Monday morning the SOC will be 23% with a total of 73 miles of range. Only 13% or ~40 miles were added.

240V 32A puts it at 79%
240V 48A puts it at 100% (or 80% if one uses the recommended limit)
So 14-50 MC and WC are similar in that case

 

[mongo]

Actually, I believe that the answer is no. Charging a Cybertruck from an EA pedestal is not supported.

At least not officially. People have used Evject as a CCS adapter extension to make it work.

V4 is not a well defined term. There seems to be multiple pedestals that fit in the V4 concept.
And yes, these are all 250kW at this time.

V4 is the new pedestal (1000V max) with the old style cabinet.

There's something up Tesla's sleeve though. Hopefully in the next few months, it will be revealed.

Yeah, I expect they update the cabinets to output 800+V. The HV DC bus is 900V nominal so the capability is mostly there. They either need to update the modules for the higher ouput voltage or add switching to stack the modules (assuming they have 800V isolation).

 

[Woodrick]

At least not officially. People have used Evject as a CCS adapter extension to make it work.


V4 is the new pedestal (1000V max) with the old style cabinet.


Yeah, I expect they update the cabinets to output 800+V. The HV DC bus is 900V nominal so the capability is mostly there. They either need to update the modules for the higher ouput voltage or add switching to stack the modules (assuming they have 800V isolation).

I don't disagree with anything that you've said.

But there seems to be another option in the pie that while it may be considered as a V3 upgrade, it is definitely not a standard V3.

It's the Supercharger at
Lowe's Home Improvement
1111 Eastchase Pkwy Fort Worth TX 76120

It's a V3 with integrated MagicDock.

It's on the Tesla Supercharger map listed as a "Superchargers Open to Other EVs" like the V4s that you show above.

My guess is that even before the layoffs, there was some internal discussions about the MagicDock, Credit Card reader and 800V charging that didn't completely get resolved.
And that's exacerbated by a lot of V3s being installed well after V4s announced.


It's really interesting looking at the Superchargers Open to Other EVs map. There seem to be NONE in SoCal, but the NE is littered with them.

 

[Woodrick]

But this is a Cybertruck centric forum.
If I get home from a trip at 10pm Sunday night at 10%, best case senario (no non-charging load, 100% efficiency) at 9 am Monday morning the SOC will be 23% with a total of 73 miles of range. Only 13% or ~40 miles were added.

240V 32A puts it at 79%
240V 48A puts it at 100% (or 80% if one uses the recommended limit)
So 14-50 MC and WC are similar in that case

Yes, yes, yes, I know, you can create a problematic scenario

But even then most people need less than 73 miles daily. So either it slowly build back up over the week, ot you drop by for a quick 10 minute add at a Supercharger.

 

[mongo]

I don't disagree with anything that you've said.

But there seems to be another option in the pie that while it may be considered as a V3 upgrade, it is definitely not a standard V3.

It's the Supercharger at
Lowe's Home Improvement
1111 Eastchase Pkwy Fort Worth TX 76120

It's a V3 with integrated MagicDock.

It's on the Tesla Supercharger map listed as a "Superchargers Open to Other EVs" like the V4s that you show above.

My guess is that even before the layoffs, there was some internal discussions about the MagicDock, Credit Card reader and 800V charging that didn't completely get resolved.
And that's exacerbated by a lot of V3s being installed well after V4s announced.


It's really interesting looking at the Superchargers Open to Other EVs map. There seem to be NONE in SoCal, but the NE is littered with them.

Yeah, weren't those the stop gap to qualify for the federal charge infrastructure grants pre-NASC and other OEM's adoption thereof?
Buffalo is the manufacturing location for charging which could explain the northeast bias.
As I recall, they were doing post retrofits at previously installed locations. Without replacing the underground runs, that wouldn't support 800V (assuming they had been using 600V rated insulated wire previously versus XHHW-2 1kV which would have been overkill).

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