New: Tesla Winter Tires & Wheel Package, Core Wheels Covers

[HaulingAss]

I guess what I am trying to justify is why do I need a new WHEEL ?

I would buy winter tires but why do I need a second set of wheels ?

Almost no one drives enough miles to buy new tires twice a year. That means multiple mounts and dismounts of the tires on the rims. It's too much work for me to want to do it myself, even if I had a tire machine in my garage. You can pay the low wage tire monkeys at your local tire shop to do it for you, but that adds a lot of stress to the carcass of the tire and increases the chances of tire failure or rim damage. Many slow leaks are the result of a little trauma to the bead area of either the rim or the tire itself. And many of them are poorly trained or just not "into" their job enough to do it right every time. Even if you were lucky and had highly skilled and conscientious tire guys, it's hard on the carcass of the tire to mount and dismount repeatedly and it's an added expense twice per year. Also, they have to be rebalanced every time they are mounted and dismounted, let's hope they do that right too, or you will be coming back for them to do it again. How much is your time worth?

If your winter tires are already mounted and balanced, it's a simple matter to swap them out twice per year. Higher safety, higher reliability, much more convenient.

I do mine in my driveway in about 45 minutes, but you can also take them to a tire shop. I save time doing it myself even though the tire shop is only two miles away. And I know the lug nuts are all properly torqued and I've inspected my suspension and brakes for any issues.

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[HaulingAss]

is this set of wheel the same wheel i already own ?

Yes.

 

[HaulingAss]

Right.

You’d tell them “I’ll just take them home” and the SC will be glad to not have to take the time to swap wheels, haha!!

It’s just that they’re saying “installation included” for those who don’t have the equipment or time or inclination to swap them themselves.

If they were real winter tires I would pick them up and put them on myself when the snow/ice comes. But since they are just All Terrain tires good for year round use, I just made an appointment to get them put on in the middle of October because I have to make the two hour round trip to pick them up anyway. I suspect they will better than the standard All-Terrain tires that come on the truck for fall mud and rain too. I'm looking forward to comparing their off-road performance in the wet too.


Plus, even owning 4 Tesla, I rarely have the opportunity to visit a Service Center and I always enjoy checking out the vibe there (and drinking the coffee and watching the scene). Even with 4 Tesla, I've only visited less than once per year (and most visits were free of charge minor warranty things)!

 

[HaulingAss]

I know most Boulder Tesla owners go to Barnsley, and it might be good for all the Boulder/Denver owners to get together to go to the same shop, try for a volume discount, but more importantly end up with a set of techs that are rapidly experienced with the cybertruck. If we book in 10 cybertrucks for the same time we'd get all their techs on it at once and combined expertise.

That's some loopy thinking right there. You have a great price on some quality wheels, tires, TPMS sensors, and you want a volume discount?

Combined expertise of all the Tesla Technicians at a service center so they can figure out how to put your new tires on? ?‍

Maybe when you go grocery shopping you should get all your neighbors to go with you to get a group discount. And then you can request all the cashiers get together on one checkout to combine their expertise, you know, so your groceries get bagged properly.

 

[NorthernVirginiaCT]

Tesla's new winter wheel package for $3k is an amazing deal.

Yesterday I received the winter wheel and tire set I ordered from Tsportline (20" fully forged lightweight wheel with BF Goodrich KO3 tires).

https://tsportline.com/collections/...tweight-tesla-wheel-and-tire-package-set-of-4

Although I paid more than twice what Tesla is charging, here's what I like about the package I chose:

• Lighter wheel (31.8 lbs vs. 35.2 lbs for a Tesla Cybertruck wheel without the aero cover)
• Reasobably light tire (62 lbs vs 59 for the Goodyear Wrangler A/T in Tesla's winter tire package and 67.4 lbs for the Falken A/T4W, which was the primary other tire I considered).
• Good traction, especially in the KO3 which came out this year vs. its predecessor, the KO2, which came out a decade ago in the fall of 2014.

My research found that the Falken A/T4W is better in wet and snow conditions than the one I went with, but I ultimately passed on it given its heavier weight.

Here's a link to a video I found helpful as I was deciding which wheels to choose:

 

[MyOtherTruck]

I need numbers, tho, not feelings.

-Crissa

I have three trucks. F250 HD, A 2020 G63 and now the cybertruck. The trucks with their AT and mud tires are really bad in the thick of Vermont's snow and icy months. They are great up to about Jan and after March, but it is too cold for the rubber compound to grip. The blizzaks I put on them are significantly better. Check out youtube or do your research. It's not feelings, it's just science in rubber compounds.

I'll note that I find blizzaks to do a bit better than Hakka's. I tried the Hakkas and they are good but just not as great as blizzaks have been on the same truck (G63).

If intent on running all terrain tires for winter, based on a ton of youtube reviews and tests, the DuratracRTs seem like a good otpion (but wont be as great on ice as true soft compound winters).

 

[Speedr]

Tesla's new winter wheel package for $3k is an amazing deal.

Yesterday I received the winter wheel and tire set I ordered from Tsportline (20" fully forged lightweight wheel with BF Goodrich KO3 tires).

https://tsportline.com/collections/...tweight-tesla-wheel-and-tire-package-set-of-4

Although I paid more than twice what Tesla is charging, here's what I like about the package I chose:

• Lighter wheel (31.8 lbs vs. 35.2 lbs for a Tesla Cybertruck wheel without the aero cover)
• Reasobably light tire (62 lbs vs 59 for the Goodyear Wrangler A/T in Tesla's winter tire package and 67.4 lbs for the Falken A/T4W, which was the primary other tire I considered).
• Good traction, especially in the KO3 which came out this year vs. its predecessor, the KO2, which came out a decade ago in the fall of 2014.

My research found that the Falken A/T4W is better in wet and snow conditions than the one I went with, but I ultimately passed on it given its heavier weight.

Here's a link to a video I found helpful as I was deciding which wheels to choose:

@NorthernVirginiaCT, please report back on range impact.

 

[cofree]

That's some loopy thinking right there. You have a great price on some quality wheels, tires, TPMS sensors, and you want a volume discount?

If you want quality winter tires then buying this deal and throwing away the tires isn't a great price. It isn't a terrible price for just the wheels and TPMS but not great if you just want cheap wheels and TPMS.

Combined expertise of all the Tesla Technicians at a service center so they can figure out how to put your new tires on? ?‍

The service center is not likely to be willing to install 3rd party equipment, and are already booked more than a month out. and aren't as local as the local tire store.

Just around here in the last 2-3 years we've personally experienced:
* A tire shop chain refuse to work on our model 3 because they didn't have the equipment to hoist the model 3. They called around several shops in their chain and found one that did have the equipment about an hour's drive away and suggested we go there. At least they knew they didn't have the right equipment and didn't just lift it and do damage (of which there are plenty of reports on other forums).
* A local car wash banning Teslas because the car wash did $5k in damage to a Tesla and got sued.
* A tire chain telling me I would need to take our old model S to Tesla to get the TPMS connected each season. In reality it was a few clicks on the screen.

In addition there are plenty of examples of people on the Tesla forums getting wheel/tire combinations for Teslas that don't fit the brakes, or rub against the wheel well. Going as a group helps the store by spreading the one-off costs (research) and minimizes risk (any issues with a mis-install would likely only happen once).

Teslas, while common these days, are still somewhat different to other cars, and the Cybertruck is even less common and more unique.

Maybe when you go grocery shopping you should get all your neighbors to go with you to get a group discount.

I get bulk discounts when grocery shopping. Ever heard of Costco?
I know a lot of Americans get their groceries from convenience stores and pay 2x-5x.
The difference here is that I don't want a 20 pack of tires/wheels so any bulk effects need multiple people. Coloradans have a history of gathering together to get bulk discounts on purchasing/leasing LEAFs for example.

And then you can request all the cashiers get together on one checkout to combine their expertise, you know, so your groceries get bagged properly.

I haven't heard of a cashier doing $5k damage to your groceries, or refusing to scan your groceries because they don't have the right equipment, or giving up because they couldn't figure out how to do it and they would need to call the manufacturer to figure it out, or having to look up the local regulations on odometer accuracy versus tire size to see if you can legally eat that combination of groceries.

Tsportline, who has researched and made winter wheel/tire packages for the Cybertruck ended up with the Nokian tire that was 275/65 as an option instead of 285/65... presumably deciding that the different diameter was worth the tradeoff (as far as I know so far the Cybertruck doesn't let you set the tire diameter). Driving a car with that much of a difference in diameter is undesirable, but as far as I can tell in Colorado is legal (even though the Odometer will be well off). So I suspect the Tsportline decision is a reasonable one.

 

[Outdoors]

If you want quality winter tires then buying this deal and throwing away the tires isn't a great price. It isn't a terrible price for just the wheels and TPMS but not great if you just want cheap wheels and TPMS.



The service center is not likely to be willing to install 3rd party equipment, and are already booked more than a month out. and aren't as local as the local tire store.

Just around here in the last 2-3 years we've personally experienced:
* A tire shop chain refuse to work on our model 3 because they didn't have the equipment to hoist the model 3. They called around several shops in their chain and found one that did have the equipment about an hour's drive away and suggested we go there. At least they knew they didn't have the right equipment and didn't just lift it and do damage (of which there are plenty of reports on other forums).
* A local car wash banning Teslas because the car wash did $5k in damage to a Tesla and got sued.
* A tire chain telling me I would need to take our old model S to Tesla to get the TPMS connected each season. In reality it was a few clicks on the screen.

In addition there are plenty of examples of people on the Tesla forums getting wheel/tire combinations for Teslas that don't fit the brakes, or rub against the wheel well. Going as a group helps the store by spreading the one-off costs (research) and minimizes risk (any issues with a mis-install would likely only happen once).

Teslas, while common these days, are still somewhat different to other cars, and the Cybertruck is even less common and more unique.



I get bulk discounts when grocery shopping. Ever heard of Costco?
I know a lot of Americans get their groceries from convenience stores and pay 2x-5x.
The difference here is that I don't want a 20 pack of tires/wheels so any bulk effects need multiple people. Coloradans have a history of gathering together to get bulk discounts on purchasing/leasing LEAFs for example.



I haven't heard of a cashier doing $5k damage to your groceries, or refusing to scan your groceries because they don't have the right equipment, or giving up because they couldn't figure out how to do it and they would need to call the manufacturer to figure it out, or having to look up the local regulations on odometer accuracy versus tire size to see if you can legally eat that combination of groceries.

Tsportline, who has researched and made winter wheel/tire packages for the Cybertruck ended up with the Nokian tire that was 275/65 as an option instead of 285/65... presumably deciding that the different diameter was worth the tradeoff (as far as I know so far the Cybertruck doesn't let you set the tire diameter). Driving a car with that much of a difference in diameter is undesirable, but as far as I can tell in Colorado is legal (even though the Odometer will be well off). So I suspect the Tsportline decision is a reasonable one.

Seems like a lot of work. Maybe ? just find a place that is reliable and stick with it. Been using my discount tire for 15+ years. Dozen set of tires minimum.

Sorry to the fella that bought the 6k setup from Tsportline. That is just stupid money.

Colorado is the place I will stay away from then. I imagine herds of people going from place to place demanding discounts for bulk.

Discounts for the herd.

 

[Known-Background]

I guess what I am trying to justify is why do I need a new WHEEL ?

I would buy winter tires but why do I need a second set of wheels ?

The tires alone would have cost you 500 a piece… I figured that I would have needed to buy at least one tire sooner or later and with my voucher, four tires come with extra wheels and installation and only cost me the price of one tire. ($3000-$2500 voucher=500). Ordered a set before they vanish from the store a no brainer and less troublesome than waiting for the store to be full of just the right items I wanted for the truck…. I was waiting on the roof rack and bike tailgate things to come back.

 

[Crissa]

I have three trucks. F250 HD, A 2020 G63 and now the cybertruck. The trucks with their AT and mud tires are really bad in the thick of Vermont's snow and icy months. They are great up to about Jan and after March, but it is too cold for the rubber compound to grip. The blizzaks I put on them are significantly better. Check out youtube or do your research. It's not feelings, it's just science in rubber compounds.

I'll note that I find blizzaks to do a bit better than Hakka's. I tried the Hakkas and they are good but just not as great as blizzaks have been on the same truck (G63).

If intent on running all terrain tires for winter, based on a ton of youtube reviews and tests, the DuratracRTs seem like a good otpion (but wont be as great on ice as true soft compound winters).

Yeah, but it's also about more than one number. Lots of wet pavement between me and the snow.

Thanks for the link comparing similar tires!

-Crissa

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

Anyone know if these are studable? Because I'm a stud, I need this feature.

 

[MyOtherTruck]

Anyone know if these are studable? Because I'm a stud, I need this feature.

LOL - they are unfortunatley not studdable. The old Duatrac version was however.

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

LOL - they are unfortunatley not studdable. The old Duatrac version was however.

Thanks! I seriously do need studs. Ice is a way bigger issue around here in winter than snow/slush.

 

[HaulingAss]

Thanks! I seriously do need studs. Ice is a way bigger issue around here in winter than snow/slush.

Have you ever run a full winter with dedicated studless winter tires? If so, which winter studless tires were they, and what vehicle did you have them on? If not, I think it might be an eye-opening experience how well they can grip on most kinds of smooth ice. Gut instincts are often wrong.

I find studless winter tires (not the Goodyear AT's under discussion) superior to studded tires on most types of ice. It's hard for people to wrap their heads around this because it seems so counter intuitive but the right rubber compounds can actually exceed the traction studs provide on many types of ice due to the fact that studs have very little surface area compared to the treads footprint and tires that accept studs have to be made with certain rubber compounds that are hard enough to retain the studs.

The fact that the Goodyear AT tires don't accept studs gives me hope that they will have a better than average rubber compound in the cold (for an AT tire). I have no illusions they will be better than a dedicated studless winter tire, but I'm hoping they will be in the top 15% of snow performance of all AT tires. Historically I've noticed AT tires tend to do particularly poorly in winter conditions, and the more aggressive the AT tread pattern, the more this tends to hold true. Probably because more aggressive tread patterns require harder rubber compounds to avoid tearing and chunking.

Most of my winter driving is above 22 degrees F, it's only for a couple of weeks per year that an arctic front settles in and drops the temps to truly cold temps, so I'm hopeful these Goodyears will work out for me. Another reason I'm going this route (vs. dedicated winter tires) is I don't think a truck tire made for a truck this powerful and with such a high GVWR would fare well with some of the best winter rubber compounds available on car tires (and I don't want to give up payload capacity in the winter). There might be chunking (from off-roading), poor bare pavement handling or wear issues. Tires are asked to do a lot and dedicated winter tires push that limit by excluding use during warmer weather. It could also be excessively expensive if they only last 15,000-20,000 miles and cost a lot to begin with!

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