Musk: FSD for Cybertruck mid-August!

[firsttruck]

So… I ordered the CT five years ago and I got it two weeks ago. The advertised price was 43000 and ended paying 108000. They should never put a price on an item they could not deliver. If you put a price respect that and deliver. They used millions of our dollarS to develop the products and brake the rules at their convenience. Just because I like the product should not become submissive and stop seeing the truth. Besides criticism is sane and helps get better.

You elected to buy a different trim level too. The $108K Cybertruck you bought was NOT announced Nov2019.

The original $49K dual motor price did NOT HAVE:
exterior of HFS (stronger than Nov2019 30x cold-rolled stain-less steel),
steer-by-wire,
rear-wheel steer,
locking diffs,
FSD price included,
seamless automatic V2H (PowerShare),
and most of all the mighty BAW and squircle too.

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[Balthezor]

So… I ordered the CT five years ago and I got it two weeks ago. The advertised price was 43000 and ended paying 108000. They should never put a price on an item they could not deliver. If you put a price respect that and deliver. They used millions of our dollarS to develop the products and brake the rules at their convenience. Just because I like the product should not become submissive and stop seeing the truth. Besides criticism is sane and helps get better.

Lol. Why did you buy it?

 

[TyPope]

I like for Tesla to continue testing and improving, of course. However, I feel they should not say things like "Parking Assist will be released this weekend" when they really mean "Parking Assist will be released this weekend to a select group of testers. After fully vetting this update, we will release it fleet-wide in stages."

I have been waiting and waiting for the parking assist thinking that even though Elon misses timelines often, he'd be much more accurate when he's announcing something within the week.

Alas. Tis not to be.

 

[rudedawg78]

I fixed Alex's original post:

 

[Macgreiner]

Maybe you should respect that what they are doing is hard, never been done before type of stuff and any estimate of delivery is a hopeful dream.
It's not as if they planned on missing the dates, they really want to hit them. But reality gets into the way when you are you are making the state of the art.

But learn to take ANY Tesla date with a grain of salt, especially software releases.

You joined the forum just over a month ago. There has been many waiting on FSD from Tesla for well over 5 years now.

We shouldn't need to take it with a grain of salt.
I think everyone understands the scope of engineering and perfecting his kind of product. Those of us who have been on the Tesla train for some time now are just wondering why this pattern of lying (saying something will happen and it does not) keeps getting pushed out. We teach our kids not to act like this. Do as you say, say as you do, etc. Please Tesla, follow best practice and release facts not rumor. It works against the mission. We are a little sick of it.

 

[Outdoors]

So… I ordered the CT five years ago and I got it two weeks ago. The advertised price was 43000 and ended paying 108000. They should never put a price on an item they could not deliver. If you put a price respect that and deliver.

Goodness gracious. One must not understand the words or letters EST. or Estimated.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Thats the rub isnt it? Most humans are better and more capable drivers then FSD, but where FSD and other automated driving assistance wins is their unrelenting attention on the task. There isnt a second that they are not scanning and adjusting. No crying kids, or phone notifications to distract them.

The problem is when the driving assistance doesnt know what to do. For example, my Model Y always follows the right lane marker and does an uncomfortable jerking every exit on the highway, if I am in the right lane.

Right now I see FSD merely as a helper to allow the driver to lose focus in short bursts, as they normally do, but more safely. It doesnt feel close to the dream of sleeping in the car on my way to work.

Although I agree with you about the limitations of FSD right now, and of course there are others that have been enumerated here and elsewhere, it is as far away from the dream of sleeping during a commute as I am from an all expenses paid trip to Saturn. Why do people always talk about FSD in those terms? Even a robotaxi rollout would probably be geofenced for a long time. I have found FSD (ok, NoAP) to be extremely useful on long road trips; it really reduces stress a lot. Tesla wouldn't have to do much to make NoAP a really solid tool, but I am not living with a fantasy that FSD is going to let me/anyone safely take a nap, at least not for the next several years.

 

[SCTesla]

Although I agree with you about the limitations of FSD right now, and of course there are others that have been enumerated here and elsewhere, it is as far away from the dream of sleeping during a commute as I am from an all expenses paid trip to Saturn. Why do people always talk about FSD in those terms? Even a robotaxi rollout would probably be geofenced for a long time. I have found FSD (ok, NoAP) to be extremely useful on long road trips; it really reduces stress a lot. Tesla wouldn't have to do much to make NoAP a really solid tool, but I am not living with a fantasy that FSD is going to let me/anyone safely take a nap, at least not for the next several years.

It's because people hear the words from the CEO and take them seriously.

Elon has been talking about sleeping in cars, watching movies, etc. "by the end of the year" for 5 years now.

If you listen to Elon on timelines or even quality of releases (perfect/fire emoji, 10x improvement) you're at fault.

He's optimistic and even completely wrong most of the time. I think it's to pump the stock and motivate employees, but it does aggravate Tesla owners.

If it weren't for Elon's promises, I think more people would be super impressed with what FSD actually does.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

We shouldn't need to take it with a grain of salt.
I think everyone understands the scope of engineering and perfecting his kind of product. Those of us who have been on the Tesla train for some time now are just wondering why this pattern of lying (saying something will happen and it does not) keeps getting pushed out. We teach our kids not to act like this. Do as you say, say as you do, etc. Please Tesla, follow best practice and release facts not rumor. It works against the mission. We are a little sick of it.

I agree with @Woodrick on this. Tesla hasn't been lying; they are just too optimistic. If Tesla were to allow purchasers of FSD to roll it forward until such a time as they achieve their goals, then that would be a good way to go.

With respect to what parents teach their children I have much bigger quips. I would be happy of they taught their kids not to lie, steal, shoot people, skip classes, use/trust social media, etc., and to be accountable for their actions. That clearly isn't happening.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

It's because people hear the words from the CEO and take them seriously.

Elon has been talking about sleeping in cars, watching movies, etc. "by the end of the year" for 5 years now.

If you listen to Elon on timelines or even quality of releases (perfect/fire emoji, 10x improvement) you're at fault.

He's optimistic and even completely wrong most of the time. I think it's to pump the stock and motivate employees, but it does aggravate Tesla owners.

If it weren't for Elon's promises, I think more people would be super impressed with what FSD actually does.

I stopped listening to anything Elon says quite a while ago. I still listen to what Wes says, and I used to listen to what Drew said. I have added Ashok to the list of people I don't need to listen to anymore. I still believe in FSD and have great hopes for it, but I an now in a "believe it when I see it" mode. Once I stop believing a person's predictions its kind of like turning off a faucet.

 

[Sjohnson20]

I stopped listening to anything Elon says quite a while ago. I still listen to what Wes says, and I used to listen to what Drew said. I have added Ashok to the list of people I don't need to listen to anymore. I still believe in FSD and have great hopes for it, but I an now in a "believe it when I see it" mode. Once I stop believing a person's predictions its kind of like turning off a faucet.

I think the best we will get with this generation of cars will be maybe not having to pay attention as much. Maybe able to look at the phone or youtube. I still think we are a few car generations off from riding in the backseat while it drives 500 miles or until the car will come pick me up from the airport.

 

[Woodrick]

We shouldn't need to take it with a grain of salt.
I think everyone understands the scope of engineering and perfecting his kind of product. Those of us who have been on the Tesla train for some time now are just wondering why this pattern of lying (saying something will happen and it does not) keeps getting pushed out. We teach our kids not to act like this. Do as you say, say as you do, etc. Please Tesla, follow best practice and release facts not rumor. It works against the mission. We are a little sick of it.

With the stuff that Tesla is working on, it's either ready or it's an unknown, but hoped for solution.
Just a simple test to employees can uncover a problem that requires a trip back to the drawing board. But if it passes, then it starts going to everyone.

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