Cybertruck hits 500kW charging speed with just unveiled V4 Cabinet!

[scottf200]

Yes though I have (and Kyle Tested on the 70 mph test) the 2024 Gen 1.5 dual motor which still had the 131 kwh large battery but picked up some efficiency gains and came in with 352 miles EPA range. Now with the smaller "large" pack on the Gen 2 it is rated at 330 and the max is at 420. The in-between model turned out to be a very nice compromise but if I was buying today I would certainly get the max pack dual. Meanwhile, the Chevy is just freakin' smokin' on range and charging.

Thank you for that reminder. I did have the G1s but had those rows hidde after the G2s came out.
Two diff 'large' highlighted below.

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[HaulingAss]

Noting that the 2024 model DM, Large on 21" wheels gets a 70mph range test of 345 mph so with no improvement on the charging curve from 2023 (which is incorrect, there have been gains) would look like this

And with Silverado for good measure.

Kyle is up to his old tricks again?

Maybe you don't know, but those charging curves are hardly comparable because they are based on chargers with different output levels. Misleading at best.

 

[scottf200]

Post/Tweet: AustyUSA

How much of an impact will 500kW peak charging have on Cybertruck? Assuming no other change to the shape of the curve, here’s what it looks like.

Basically: very little change.

Currently, Cybertruck can charge up to 327kW up to about 20%. To simulate a V4 charge, I assumed it held 500kW until 10% and then followed a normal taper curve, as seen in the 1st chart. The 2nd and 3rd charts show charge rate vs SOC over time with a 327kW limit and a 500kW limit, respectively. Since the curve is the same after 20%, how long does it take each to go from 1-20%? At 327kW max, it takes 4:17. At 500kW max, it takes… 3:04.

So, in the most ideal conditions you’d save a little over a minute. This is yet further proof that the curve matters more than the peak, and the cybertruck curve needs serious work.

Graphs in Post/Tweet

 

[Macgreiner]

Rollout going well, this will help make CT the roadtripping beast I hoped it would be.

 

[CyberT1]

This is all great! But when will we ever seen them?

 

[nevetsyad]

Until I see this at the majority of stalls it’s just POC / Lab scenarios.

Yup, just like V3s...that are now everywhere. Hell, I remember when V2s started coming out. Love the big advancements every few years!

 

[JES1964]

Is there even a Tesla Charging team left at Tesla? What have they done since TSLA fired many of them?

 

[CyberGus]

Is there even a Tesla Charging team left at Tesla? What have they done since TSLA fired many of them?

They re-hired all the workers with low self-esteem

 

[henchman24]

Post/Tweet: AustyUSA


Graphs in Post/Tweet

Of note here... OOS has the 0-60% at ~28 minutes. This graph has it at ~22 minutes, which is already a 6 minute improvement just by the higher rate at 350kw chargers. The further 1 minute improvement (assuming no other changes to the curve) at 21 minutes would have ~180 miles (per the OOS range on a tri motor) added in 21 minutes. The Silverado EV beats that at over 200. Yet no other EV truck is above 150. Only one 'crossover' is above 180 (Taycan Cross Turismo... which is more of a wagon IMO). Model Y is at 177. The MB EQS SUV 450+ beats it by 11 miles. You obviously have the Lucid and Taycans beating it. Ionic 6 beats it (by 5 miles). The list is rather small of the vehicle that would outperform the CT (tri motor with the all terrains) assuming no further improvements in the charging curve. Let alone the dual motor.

The bias against Tesla shows in this commentary here. The CT certainly doesn't charge like the Silverado (the enormous pack has a lot to do with that), but the data around this shows the CT charges much, much better than it is given credit for. That doesn't generate engagement like screaming about the charge rate at 45-50% though.

 

[jimbobb23]

Until I see this at the majority of stalls it’s just POC / Lab scenarios.

Permitting happening right now and installation starting 2025. We will see more over time.

 

[HaulingAss]

The problem I have is that they have already installed three V4 chargers near my home in the Bay Area. But they are all still using the older technology. My question is: "Why did you install a new V4 cabinet and not go all the way?"

As previously mentioned, I am more interested in the charging curve which appears to max out until 30%. There is no reason not to carry those speeds longer. At least 50% or like the iPhone and carry it to 80%.

Come on Tesla, you claim to have the smartest engineers in the world.

It sounds like you might be smarter than Tesla's smartest engineer. Because you have a better grasp of what various batteries can handle than they do. Or, at least you claim to.

 

[HaulingAss]

In a different way, how max means quite a bit too. The least efficient CT beat out the dual motor Rivian (is it still the most efficient or has the LFP dual motor beat it out?) in miles added until ~27 minutes. This with only a ~250kw peak. With the ~330kw that can be had now on CCS chargers that area under the curve early would widen that gap.

Non EV people don't understand how important this is.

27 minutes is longer than my typical rest break on a road trip. If I'm charging much longer than 20 minutes, it's almost certainly because I'm eating a meal and not ready to leave yet.

Non EV people have a hard time grasping not filling up most of the way and running down to 10%. That's why they get stuck with 40-minute charging stops and needlessly worry that a vehicle "has a slow charging curve".

 

[HaulingAss]

Is there even a Tesla Charging team left at Tesla? What have they done since TSLA fired many of them?

They've been kicking some ass rolling out new locations! Elon took a lot of flack for restructuring the Supercharger Team, but I'm so glad he did, the old team had become infected, they were headed towards the same path as the 3rd party DCFC networks. There's a reason why the Supercharger Network doesn't resemble the third-party DCFC networks, because Elon doesn't accept that kind of BS.

 

[JES1964]

They've been kicking some ass rolling out new locations! Elon took a lot of flack for restructuring the Supercharger Team, but I'm so glad he did, the old team had become infected, they were headed towards the same path as the 3rd party DCFC networks. There's a reason why the Supercharger Network doesn't resemble the third-party DCFC networks, because Elon doesn't accept that kind of BS.

@HaulingAss that’s so good to know. I might have missed that transformation following the restructuring on ensuing calls. Glad to know they’ve continued to focus on this development since it’s critical to continuing the march towards real impact! Thanks for the informative update!

 

[henchman24]

Getting beyond the staffing part and just focusing on the sites. There was about ~62-6300 superchargers when that happened. We're over 6800 today. It has progressed at a pretty similar rate since mid 2022 which was significantly faster than previous years' rates. Last month 161 opened, which was the most since the Q4 2022 spurt.

A lot of this would have already been in the planning prior and it will take time for it to shake out the full impact. Thus far, there has been minimal negative impact on the network.

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