Elon Musk: Superchargers open to all other EVs later this year.

[Ogre]

Teslas aren't more expensive, though. They do more. No matter how you slice it, you get your bang for your buck with a Tesla.

In particular, the Cybertruck is a much better value.

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[CyberGus]

I wonder if the MachE driver selling drugs at the Supercharger will realize that all the Teslas around him are recording lol

 

[anionic1]

Not a fan, longer lines… hope he Frank’s out many more charging stations. Will not be happy if I buy a 100000 car and have to wait an hour to charge!!!

I really agree with this. From what I hear a lot of key supercharger locations can get really backed up and charging is already the Achilles heel of EVs. Why help other EV makers by motivating their sales by having more access to charging for their cars. But I can also see the side that says, what if gas stations were proprietary and you could only go to certain ones. It would really limit the growth of a technology. And if Tesla is selling power then great! All that really matters is supply and demand. As long as the charger availability keeps up with EV demand or exceed it’s we are good. If we start getting charged double because of a limited supply of chargers because other vendors didn’t want to step up and help the charging network then that is a huge problem.

 

[anionic1]

The US government just approved $7 billion in funds for EV infrastructure expansion. Tesla is quite good at dealing with government incentives and working with government contracts.

I think that's where they are planning on recouping these costs.

Aren’t most of those funds locked away only for the government to buy themselves more EVs like school buses, trash trucks etc. I don’t recall reading any part of the incentives that would benefit Tesla.

 

[Ogre]

Aren’t most of those funds locked away only for the government to buy themselves more EVs like school buses, trash trucks etc. I don’t recall reading any part of the incentives that would benefit Tesla.

Maybe I’m misreading.

Specifically, the bipartisan plan includes $7.5 billion for a network of EV charging stations across the country.

 

[Ogre]

I really agree with this. From what I hear a lot of key supercharger locations can get really backed up and charging is already the Achilles heel of EVs. Why help other EV makers by motivating their sales by having more access to charging for their cars.

This is my big concern about this as well. I’ve done 2 road trips recently and bumped into full stations.

On the flip side, I’ve seen a fair amount of evidence that Tesla has really ramped up Supercharger deployments. 20% of all Supercharger stations were built between January and May 30th of this year.

I heard rumors Tesla was going to be part of the Biden thing a while ago but didn’t give it any credence for exactly this reason. But if they can get federal funding to build out the network much faster and get into more locations then it starts to make sense.

 

[CyberGus]

From what I hear a lot of key supercharger locations can get really backed up

Superchargers can get congested, but they really only get long lines during peak travel dates (holidays). Tesla is already addressing this with off-peak cheap/free charging around high-volume dates. They've also sent mobile (!!?) chargers using megapacks to known hotspots.

This will be a great opportunity to expand the SC network.

 

[Ogre]

Superchargers can get congested, but they really only get long lines during peak travel dates (holidays). Tesla is already addressing this with off-peak cheap/free charging around high-volume dates. They've also sent mobile (!!?) chargers using megapacks to known hotspots.

This will be a great opportunity to expand the SC network.

I don't use the Superchargers much so I don't have a big sampling, but both times this summer when road tripping on a hot (non-holiday) afternoon they have been packed. I didn't end up waiting long, but I'm pretty sure some of the cars that showed up after me were stuck for 10 minutes or more.

Assuming it's due to government funding, I flip back and forth between being cynical and optimistic on this. I have no doubt it benefits Tesla. How much that benefits Tesla owners is up in the air.

I guess I own Tesla stock so... I win either way.

 

[Pappy]

Here we go again. Putting this company against that company when we ALL should be supporting the grand idea of lowering our own carbon footprint. If OUR tax dollars are subsidizing any part of the EV market then it damn well better be open to everyone that pays taxes period. I would also hope that for those of us that can… step up an install a solar system to help reduce the demand on the grid and at the charging stations. This is going to become a REAL issue and a bunch of folks are gonna get real upset when they can’t charge their brand new EV. Remember how we all felt when we couldn’t get fuel for our ICE vehicles? Remember how we all felt when we were limited to how much fuel we could purchase at a time? Probably not for most of you.?

 

[DHAbbott]

Teslas aren't more expensive, though. They do more. No matter how you slice it, you get your bang for your buck with a Tesla.

-Crissa

Teslas aren't more expensive? They sure seem to be when you look at the prices.

 

[Diehard]

Can you imagine how embarrassing it will be for other manufactures to have their vehicles and customers charging at a Supercharger? Imagine those customers pulling out their Tesla app and experiencing the seamless process to charge their vehicles first hand. Take a guess what their next car will be??? Brilliant move by Tesla.

I doubt the identity of someone driving a bolt or ID4 is as tied to their car as a Tesla owner. They are already charging at charging stations that is not marked as GM or VW. Tesla supercharger is just another charging station to them. And if Biden can get his ….. together there will be only one app everyone will use for every charging station. I know it is wishful thinking but a man can dream.

Let’s just hope that this does not result in a Tesla owner to be found at a Non-Tesla charging station because all Tesla sites are full. I doubt that will happen because Elon knows the charging experience is a big part of why folks buy Tesla and he probably have thought of it. Tesla will probably open up a supercharger to non Tesla owners only when 30% or more stalls/units are unoccupied or another measure like this to lower the impact on Tesla owners

 

[Akgolf]

If a Tesla owner wants to charge at the public chargers in the US, they need to purchase the adapter.

Curious to see how this is handled at Tesla Superchargers for non Tesla’s. Will Tesla provide some stalls with a different adapter or require the users to purchase an approved adapter?

 

[ÆCIII]

This was going to be a shorter post but the thoughts grew out of control just like non-Tesla companies would do if they were allowed to use Tesla superchargers ... so a little long-winded but maybe needs to be said. So I apologize in advance.

Every EV manufacturer has had the freedom of choice whether or not to deploy their own supercharging infrastructure. Tesla has not prevented any of them from doing that.

Just because Tesla has become very efficient at building superchargers doesn't mean that other EV companies should have any right to start leeching off of Tesla's work and investment just because they're either too incompetent, lazy, or too greedy to make their own. They have and always have had just as much freedom as Tesla to develop and deploy their own superchargers. No one is stopping them.

This is about money, greed, and companies not wanting to put in the hard work like Tesla has done and is still doing. More than likely, any capitulation of this is being forced by European politics and approvals for GF4, and hopefully would not apply as much in the U.S. because we still have the more elegant slim Tesla connector instead of the CCS. I have always been suspicious though, every since it was announced that superchargers in Europe would be installed with the CCS connector instead of the Tesla proprietary one. Unfortunately, those who have less faith in their own abilities often want to take from resources and hard work done by others, which of course is of a certain mindset we unfortunately all are familiar with and have to be wary of.

If Tesla owners pay for their cars, they of course also are the ones paying for the Tesla supercharger network - so therefore its obvious they should not be forced to have their hard earned money subverted to prop up other companies and competitors ineptitude - where they suddenly have become sheep pawns waiting in extra longer lines for superchargers they actually paid to have built, because others want free access to something they did not do any work to build or develop.

I sincerely do hope that Tesla somehow comes up with a way to pass the costs more on to those others just like Tesla owners pay at some non-Tesla charging locations. Otherwise, diluting all this infrastructure access to those who didn't pay for it, is totally unfair and wrong to Tesla owners. I hope the extra costs will actually be enough to deter them from using chargers they did not earn, just as Tesla owners are deterred from using non-Tesla charge points except only when absolutely necessary.

Yes, I do agree that it would be great to have universal access where all EVs could charge at any location - and in an ideal world that would be better for everyone. But in reality, right now Tesla is doing the overwhelming lion's share of supercharger deployment compared to others, and it seems others simply don't want to 'pull their weight' and just use Tesla's chargers instead.

This is not a new issue. Many companies have their own proprietary standards because they want to protect their intellectual property and hard work of development. We never started forcing DeWalt, Skill, or Makita, or others to allow other drill manufactures to use their battery form factors and connectors did we? Look at how many different rechargeable battery formats we have for drills, power tools, lawn mowers, string trimmers, etc.? We have not forced Apple to open their IOS Operating System for operability on more universal hardware instead of their own proprietary systems have we? Why not?

Yes, I know gas stations are universal for all ICE cars, but there is a difference, in that each car manufacturer didn't build the gas stations because the oil companies did that.

IMO Tesla should not be strong-armed or forced to share their charging infrastructure any more than companies mentioned above should be forced into a non-proprietary standards, spilling out their development, resources and hard work.

Again, each company is freely able to deploy their own superchargers. I think at this point if Tesla opens up their superchargers to others, it could pacify those other companies and keep them from taking the responsible, and economically smarter approach to developing their own, which would be better for the long term. So, it will pacify others from doing the work, resulting in less overall worldwide deployment of superchargers by others, while forcing Tesla owners to share to non-payers while waiting in longer lines to charge.

Tesla has been more than generous enough in other ways, but if Tesla pays for others' superchargers, it is actually Us, the Tesla owner, who is really paying for it all.

 

[ajdelange]

Superchargers can get congested, but they really only get long lines during peak travel dates (holidays).

A quick check most days shows a couple of SC stations completely full in the NY Metro area. So more SC stations/stalls are definitely needed in some parts of the country. The concern here is that if other manufacturers are allowed in that this congestion will get worse. Obviously if something is already overloaded and you add more load that will be the case but I don't think that the other OEMs will exacerbate the problem much because there just aren't enough cars by other OEMs out there at this point in time.

This will be a great opportunity to expand the SC network.

I think that's the way to look at it. If Tesla would make a deal with just one other manufacturer that manufacturer's sales should zoom as the main reason people say they don't buy BEV will be gone. Presumably, seeing this, other OEMs will follow suite and eventually we would have a natiowide charging system that would serve any car on the road.

There is one entity out that that has demonstrated that it can build and operate a national charging system. If they will allow other OEMs to join that network and other OEMs see the wisdom in doing so I think we can get to a universal system. I don't see the interface issues as really problematical as Tesla has built chargers with both the Tesla and CCS connector. I don't see the billing and communications interfaces as a problem as, presumably, OEMs would be added one at at time.

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