Suspension ratings.

[Truck Gang]

Will the different motor configurations on the CT also equate to different suspensions to accommodate the higher capacities?
Just like half, 3/4, and 1 ton pickups have heavier suspensions will the single motor CT have a lighter suspension compared to the tri-motor CT?

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[Ogre]

Pure speculation:

I suspect not. The weight difference on the trucks when loaded is going to be very similar with only about 10% weight difference due to battery pack size.

It’s possible they make the load capacity quite different between the models and use a different set of air shocks which is possible. I thought the load capacity was the same regardless of model though.

 

[Challeco]

I suspect, given the many videos deconstructing Tesla vehicles, that the parts will be identical. Tesla's motivations continue to be speed of manufacturing, multiple applications of each part, and streamlining of supply chain. Complicating the assembly line will slow the line. Slowing the line costs Tesla money. Changing the line to limit capacity doesn't fit Tesla's style, electronically limiting access does. Case in point, my wife wanted seat heaters for the back seats of our model 3. Instead of having them installed after the fact, Tesla just enabled the ones that were already installed because it was more efficient to load all of the seats with heating elements and have one wiring harness instead of several different versions. I believe that Tesla will make their die-cast parts in a way that will accommodate all motor configurations, their origami style body folding will be the same for all configurations, and their suspension will be electronically varied but with the same high strength components.

 

[Crissa]

Unlike traditional trucks, Tesla plans to use shocks which will be tunable to the load. The vehicle will do that itself.

Part of the reason this is possible is because the truck will already be pretty heavy and evenly balanced because of the weight of the battery pack and no heavy engine bay.

Just like on a motorcycle, the shocks will dial in based upon how much load is on them at stop.

-Crissa

 

[Ogre]

The idea of the air suspension is one of the things I fell in love with.

Musk has hinted that it’ll have active dampening (increases bounce when you are going over choppy terrain, decreases it for a more solid feel on the highway) and actually adjust based on steering input to increase passenger comfort and performance on turns.

 

[charliemagpie]

Just speculating :

Tesla has different profit margin for different models, it does charge for the privilege of driving a higher end car.

Does Tesla care about markups ? How does Tesla view component cost vrs other OEMs

Hypothetically , Tesla produces springs :
1. Standard every day spring , Cost $50 to make...adds $75 to car
2. Super duper spring, Cost $60 to make.


Does Tesla also add 50% markup to the super duper spring or does it charge a premium ... i.e. adds 100% markup..adding $120 per car. No it doesn't.

Because that is what normally happens... more exclusive items have a higher markup... sales volume/stock turn etc add different supply costs. Wholesales supply OEM's on this basis.

Which brings me back to vertical integration.

If Tesla is producing the extra super-duper thingy, there is only the cost of raw material... maybe it's cheaper for them to produce the quality item rather than needing to manufacture a cheaper alternative.

So... I expect all general specs to be similar, with variations such as range, accessories.

My main point I wish to make is we are used to traditional price points, cost savings and markups. Our remarks relate to OEM word, not Tesla World. Tesla world is fewer parts, fewer options, less confusion... most value. We need to think how far Tesla can wow us, what can they do with that kilo of steel.

Which is why other manufacturers 'can't touch this !'

 

[Dusty]

Musk loves the idea of a factory receiving raw materials on one end of the factory. And, the finished product rolling out to be shipped on the other.

I just want him to have a few more replacement parts leaving the side doors of the factory.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Will the different motor configurations on the CT also equate to different suspensions to accommodate the higher capacities?
Just like half, 3/4, and 1 ton pickups have heavier suspensions will the single motor CT have a lighter suspension compared to the tri-motor CT?

no one knows. Your guess is probably as good as anyone's.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Just speculating :

Tesla has different profit margin for different models, it does charge for the privilege of driving a higher end car.

Does Tesla care about markups ? How does Tesla view component cost vrs other OEMs

Hypothetically , Tesla produces springs :
1. Standard every day spring , Cost $50 to make...adds $75 to car
2. Super duper spring, Cost $60 to make.


Does Tesla also add 50% markup to the super duper spring or does it charge a premium ... i.e. adds 100% markup..adding $120 per car. No it doesn't.

Because that is what normally happens... more exclusive items have a higher markup... sales volume/stock turn etc add different supply costs. Wholesales supply OEM's on this basis.

Which brings me back to vertical integration.

If Tesla is producing the extra super-duper thingy, there is only the cost of raw material... maybe it's cheaper for them to produce the quality item rather than needing to manufacture a cheaper alternative.

So... I expect all general specs to be similar, with variations such as range, accessories.

My main point I wish to make is we are used to traditional price points, cost savings and markups. Our remarks relate to OEM word, not Tesla World. Tesla world is fewer parts, fewer options, less confusion... most value. We need to think how far Tesla can wow us, what can they do with that kilo of steel.

Which is why other manufacturers 'can't touch this !'

It is true. If Tesla puts a part into all trims then it is probably the same part with the same software configurations. The trims vary very little, but do offer things that the other trims don't have.

 

[Ogre]

The idea of software tuned suspension is super intriguing.

They might sell a base Cybertruck with software onboard that looks just like the rest of the Teslas. It raises and lowers the truck up to 12” and only supports tires up to 32 inches. No active dampening so don’t hit too many bumpy roads.

Pay for the “Off Road Upgrade”, you get 35” tires, and the rest of the truck is exactly the same but has a different UI with Off Road features and unlocks active dampening and an extra 4 inches of travel. This could also just be the software upgrade and you’d buy your own tires or just stick with the stock 32 inch tires.

People might scoff at this idea, but there is an unlock I can do on my Model Y that sells for $2000 that boost the speed significantly. All I gotta do is pay $2g and I cut half a second off my 0-60 time.

They could also do something similar with a tow package and towing specific features. Auto-steer to the trailer hitch? Smart trailer backup? Auto hitch heigh adjust? That’ll be $3000… oh and you get an nicer trailer ball too.

 

[Crissa]

Gotta pay for the fancy software somehow.

-Crissa

 

[Ogre]

Gotta pay for the fancy software somehow.

-Crissa

On my Model Y, I’m pretty sure it’s the same “software” they use on the performance and it’s just unlocking hardware features. They’ve also done software unlocks on batteries and even the seat heaters on the Model 3.

The Off-Road Mode would be a mix of the two, HW and SW upgrades. Likewise the tow package.

Oh… I almost forget, my Model Y has a trailer hitch from the factory. It not only has the physical hitch, it also unlocks “Trailer Mode” but I’m not entirely sure what it does aside from preventing the back up alerts, because after I realized one side effect of trailer mode was it disabled AutoPilot, I turned it off and never turned it back on again. I use the hitch for a bike rack not a trailer.

 

[charliemagpie]

I think Elon is kicking himself now for not fully thinking this through, lol (asif)

He has already said there's 14-inch clearance, so can't play with that.

Maybe he has already sandbagged from reveal day .. Enable 4 wheel steering, enable crab mode. I'm in.

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[Ogre]

I think Elon is kicking himself now for not fully thinking this through, lol (asif)

He has already said there's 14-inch clearance, so can't play with that.

Maybe he has already sandbagged from reveal day .. Enable 4 wheel steering, enable crab mode. I'm in.

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Nah. Keep in mind 4 wheel steering can mean a lot of different things.

Basic turning in the parking lot and merging on the highway? That’s the free version. I can’t see them shipping with wheels that pivot but are fixed in place.

Crab Mode or other special modes might be unlocked via software as part of some bigger bundle.

I’m deep into speculative mode here and what I suggest likely won’t materialize… but wouldn’t surprise me either. The trailer mode and off-roading modes were both featured in patents some time ago. Just a question of whether they are included, software unlocked, or if it was just speculative patents which won’t materialize at all.

 

[charliemagpie]

It's the only way to go for Tesla, they have turned the car into a computer on wheels. Software upgrade is normal, and readily acceptable.

I just won’t tell the missus............. till after I paid.


Much easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.

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