Any 500mi range updates?

[Crissa]

The way I hope they'll do it is by using Panasonic 4680's for the 500mi long range version as those should have greater energy density than current Tesla in-house 4680 cells which could be used for the 300mi standard range version.

Why would the Panasonic ones have greater density? Are you comparing actual samples to theoretical cells?

-Crissa

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[RVAC]

Why would the Panasonic ones have greater density? Are you comparing actual samples to theoretical cells?

-Crissa

Because Panasonic in their 18650's and 2170's use NCA cathode chemistry and Silicon in the anode which result in higher energy density, their 4680 will likely be the same.

 

[Crissa]

Because Panasonic in their 18650's and 2170's use NCA cathode chemistry and Silicon in the anode which result in higher energy density, their 4680 will likely be the same.

So you are comparing theoretical cells vs samples.

-Crissa

 

[RVAC]

So you are comparing theoretical cells vs samples.

-Crissa

Yes, nobody outside of Panasonic and Tesla have Panasonic's 4680 samples that's why I stated 'should have' greater energy density. However we do know for a fact that Tesla uses an NMC cathode and no silicon in the anode for this first generation of in-house 4680 cells.

 

[Crissa]

Yes, nobody outside of Panasonic and Tesla have Panasonic's 4680 samples that's why I stated 'should have' greater energy density. However we do know for a fact that Tesla uses an NMC cathode and no silicon in the anode for this first generation of in-house 4680 cells.

No, we don't know that. We only know that a pre-production sample didn't have the same silicon and carbon content of other Tesla cells.

-Crissa

 

[SpaceYooper]

Does the Ram EV meet your definition of pipeline? This is not meant to be a snarky question, but some might say yes and others might call it more of a pipe dream. But they are still claiming they will produce a 500 mile variant full size truck.

I will stick to gas until there is a 500 mile EV or until the charging infrastructure builds out in a way that better suits me.

 

[Crissa]

I will stick to gas until there is a 500 mile EV or until the charging infrastructure builds out in a way that better suits me.

That's fair. My spouse had the same demand. In 2019 I'd rented her a Tesla for a road trip and she relented.

But there are still lots of places that need DC fast chargers, especially jumpoff points into the mountains.

-Crissa

 

[RVAC]

No, we don't know that. We only know that a pre-production sample didn't have the same silicon and carbon content of other Tesla cells.

-Crissa

Incorrect, 4680 cells from the SR Model Y have been analyzed and have NMC 811 chemistry and do not have any silicon in the anode. Could a second generation Tesla 4680 in-house cell change that? Sure, but the first generation 4680 cell is as stated. Also there's no such thing as other Tesla cells, 2170's and 18650's are made by Panasonic.

 

[Ogre]

But there are still lots of places that need DC fast chargers, especially jumpoff points into the mountains.

This is my big concern too, when I am going from one big city to the next, it’s not an issue. Going from one decent sized city to a small town deep in the mountains or along the coast, then returning? That’s when things get weird. They need to close the gaps.

It’s happening, just a bit slowly and too much focus on adding redundant stops along the major corridors. There are 3 new stops along highway 5 within 20 miles of us, but no stops at all along 126 or highway 58. If I go camping, spend 3 days in the sticks, I cannot return!

This is why 500 miles and the vault are so important to me. Keeping the bikes out of the wind is just as important to actually enjoy the range!

 

[Crissa]

Incorrect, 4680 cells from the SR Model Y have been analyzed and have NMC 811 chemistry and do not have any silicon in the anode. Could a second generation Tesla 4680 in-house cell change that? Sure, but the first generation 4680 cell is as stated. Also there's no such thing as other Tesla cells, 2170's and 18650's are made by Panasonic.

Do you have a link to the analysis of the cells Munro pried? 'Cause I sub to his Patreon and he hasn't mentioned it. I only remember him mentioning the study of the pre-production cell Jordan Giesige paid to analyze.

-Crissa

 

[SpaceYooper]

I saw that quote, but it seemed more like hearsay. The last publicly released statement was still 500 miles. We should learn more at CES next week.

 

[kbolt]

I'm only on page 2 so sorry if this has been discussed.

It doesn't make sense for Tesla to design the truck for the 1%ers. Elon has even said that most of the time people do not utilize the full range of their vehicle.

So, to save money, to save batteries, and to maximize profits it makes sense to make the vehicles only with the miles of range needed.

For someone with a fleet of trucks who constantly tows it makes sense to make a trailer with batteries incorporated so that they can have the extra range they need. That way, the people who want extra range can pay for it, and everyone else can get what they need.

 

[Ogre]

So, to save money, to save batteries, and to maximize profits it makes sense to make buy the vehicles only with the miles of range needed.

Took the liberty of making a small edit for you there.

Tesla should make trucks with different ranges and capacities. It is up to us, the buyers, to decide what range is most appropriate. There are a lot of reasons people might want a truck with a longer range battery. Towing is one of them, but there are other reasons as well.

Also, as @Luke42 suggests, having a battery on your camper trailer isn’t going to help you get your boat to the lake and back. There are a lot of good reasons you might not want a battery and a bunch of electronics on a boat trailer at all!

Batteries on trailers help in some cases, but there are others where they make no sense.

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