Any 500mi range updates?

[Crissa]

I cannot be convinced that a stated range of "500+ is the same thing as a stated range of "up to 500 miles". These are not the same thing.

The latter is just more accurate, but they're the same thing.

For a vehicle to have a range 'up to 500 miles' it has to meet or exceed 500 miles in the EPA configuration. For it to have '500+' it has to... meet or exceed 500 miles in the EPA configuration. Same thing.

'Up to 500 miles' is how you'd describe having a model with 250 miles, one with 350 miles, and one with 500-some miles. '500+' doesn't do that. So when they dropped the specific model descriptions, it had to go.

-Crissa

?Drive 500 miles in Hawaii and you will fall into the ocean.

You could go around the big island almost twice.
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[SpaceYooper]

The latter is just more accurate, but they're the same thing.

I disagree. Up to 500 miles is a ceiling, a perfect conditions maximum, a limit.

500+ is a stated range plus maybe more miles under perfect conditions. When they removed the 500+ they removed the idea that the CT would get 500 miles under anything except perfect conditions.

 

[SpaceYooper]

I care. 500 mile's EPA range or bust.

 

[Ogre]

My guess is if theyre indeed building quad motor cybertruck first...then that means they will be building out the larger 500 mile packs first too. Meaning the next in line would be tri-motor or dual motor with the 500 mile pack. They must build enough 500 miles packs to satisfy the demand initially for the most expensive builds...once that dwindles they would naturally need to make use of the 500 mile packs which would be the next level down which is prob dual motor with max pack. To make sense that max pack(500 miles) would be a double stack and a 300 miles would be single stack?

I’m betting production is based on which scales faster: Battery Production or Truck Assembly Line.

For example, if they have enough batteries to produce 200 trucks with the larger packs, but they their truck assembly line is capable of producing 500 trucks, they will produce the smaller packs to get more trucks out the door. If the reverse is true and they have lots of batteries and truck production is slow, they produce trucks with the big pack.

My ballpark guess is with a given pile of batteries they can produce 3+ shorter range trucks for every 2 long range trucks. They will want to keep all of the assembly lines working as close to 100% at all times as possible.

So in other words, they maximize both the number of trucks out the door and revenue.

 

[ninja6r]

Agree. It's all about cell production vs assembly rate. It's going to be very interesting how they prioritize. I wouldn't be surprised to see a hybrid of both. I just hope they don't do the Rivian model and only produce lower range first.

 

[Rutrow]

?Drive 500 miles in Hawaii and you will fall into the ocean.

 

[Cybertruck Hawaii]

?Add some fishing poles and a surf board.

 

[SolarWizard]

I care a whole lot.

I buy a boatload of vehicles for work but a quad motor CT crosses a price threshold i promised myself id never go over, no matter what income i have. I’m only willing to do this under the premise that its my last vehicle and FSD may actually work well enough at some point that in my waining years, 30-40 from now hopefully, the same truck can shuttle me around with a budget for $30k in upkeep.

On a 10%-80% long distance drive thats 280 miles compared to 350 or another entire hour of driving. I expect that it will half that range towing. Thats also out of the gate, day one. Most teslas rapidly lose 4-8% range then lose 2-3% yearly thereafter (and towing is likely to accelerate this degradation)

So first year under “ideal conditions” thats 261 miles vs 327 miles driving or 130 vs 262 miles towing. Until pull through MW chargers are everywhere (7-10 years by my estimate) thats 2hrs difference towing and 2.5 if unhooking is necessary

 

[Crissa]

I disagree. Up to 500 miles is a ceiling, a perfect conditions maximum, a limit.

And yet, when applied to actual models, some model needs 500+ range to satisfy the 'up to 500' statement. 499 isn't 'up to 500'.

-Crissa

 

[Cybertruck Hawaii]

?Judging by the many YouTube videos on hauling with a pickup truck in the continental United States, most of them are equipped with a tow hitch or a fifth wheel hitch.

 

[Bill906]

I’d like to point out that on reveal day the screen said 500+ miles. Now the website says “up to 500 miles”. That subtle difference changes the meaning significantly.

God I wish this idiot didn’t bring this up.

although I suspect this phrase might be used only when speaking inclusively of all models, hence the "up to 500+ miles".

Thanks for pointing this out. I was thinking they were referring to tri motor only. Now it makes sense.

They are describing 2 or more trims.

They can talk about range in a few different ways:

• Between 250 - 500 miles range.
• 250, 300, or 500 miles range depending on trim.
• up to 500 miles range.

All of these can describe the same exact lineup. Saying “500+ miles range” does not describe that lineup because some of the models will without a doubt have less than 500 miles range.

Well said.

 

[RVAC]

Is it a sign they have not yet reached their predicted density and have now changed from '500+' to 'up to 500'.?

At reveal, they were clearly confident enough to advertise as 500+, so something has changed.

If so, I don't think this 4680 setback is major, but clearly impactful enough to warrant a tweak to the advertised range.

Who knows ? Perhaps by the time they go into production, it will all be tied up, and back to the 500+.

The way I hope they'll do it is by using Panasonic 4680's for the 500mi long range version as those should have greater energy density than current Tesla in-house 4680 cells which could be used for the 300mi standard range version.

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