At this point, we need a list of all the broken promises! 😉

[ÆCIII]

On a more 'serious' note, I do hope we get the thick stainless skin that makes a hammer bounce off, and the Armour glass.

As for any kind of built-in ramp, it's all in the tail gate anyway so I think that would be a fairly easy interchangeable aftermarket product to build if Tesla doesn't do it.

I think we should wait until the next Reveal before speculating too much.

- ÆCIII

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[cvalue13]

Being 52yo and loading my KTM Dirtbike

The ramp would allow motorcycles and ATVs easy access, I can see taking them to the dunes in my CT.

definitely use the ramp to load my motorcycle

yes, lots of folks with motorcycles/ATVs were understandably excited at the prospect of the combo of:

• adaptive air (to lower bed height)
• ramp
• 6.5’ bed (that in prototype appeared to be enormously wide)

and no doubt, that OG prototype was massive - and as a result the Ct appeared to be a perfect toy-hauler

but that Og prototype was only that

But I’m personally satisfied the production CT’s bed, where motorcycles and ATVs are concerned, will function as a 5.5’ bed. (E.g., the rearward slant of the bed’s bulkhead will meet the front tires/fenders at around 5.5’ in bed length.) Not everyone shares this view, of course. But I’m personally certain enough to at least say I’d be waiting on hands-on reviews before banking on the useable length of the bed for a given bit of cargo that depends on functional bed length.

But if I’m right, it would mean that - like with an F150 SCREW - some smaller motorcycles will fit diagonally with the tailgate up (or other Jinga configurations?, but many would require resting the rear wheel on the open tailgate, and any ATV would require tailgate open (and likely the usual tailgate-supporting hardware installed to pull it off safely).

as I talk that through, I realize another possible rationale for the possible deletion of the ramp. We’ve heard decent insider rumors that it was deleted because the cost and weight (and so range/payload effects) outweigh red anticipated utility. Those rationales overlap with the possibility that once the bed dimensions were finalized, they realized the bed size didn’t quite beg as much for a vehicle ramp anymore?

I also think it’s possible that the revised CT dimensions no longer made for appropriate angles for a tailgate ramp to be as useful for things with lower ground clearance. The geometry there maybe made for too steep a break over angle, given the limited possible length of the ramp?

which altogether for me is to say: if the production CyberTruck was such that the ramp would still be wildly useful, but Tesla decided against it on a lark, that would be irritating. Whereas is the real-world realities of the production CT meant that the ramp’s utility was significantly reduced, and counterbalanced by increased cost/decreased payload, etc., then I side with Tesla

a pair of aluminum loading ramps are very cheap

 

[israndy]

I think we should wait until the next Reveal before speculating too much.

So change the title of the post to "At that point, we will need a list of all the broken promises!"

 

[Diehard]

yes, lots of folks with motorcycles/ATVs were understandably excited at the prospect of the combo of:

• adaptive air (to lower bed height)
• ramp
• 6.5’ bed (that in prototype appeared to be enormously wide)

and no doubt, that OG prototype was massive - and as a result the Ct appeared to be a perfect toy-hauler

but that Og prototype was only that

But I’m personally satisfied the production CT’s bed, where motorcycles and ATVs are concerned, will function as a 5.5’ bed. (E.g., the rearward slant of the bed’s bulkhead will meet the front tires/fenders at around 5.5’ in bed length.) Not everyone shares this view, of course. But I’m personally certain enough to at least say I’d be waiting on hands-on reviews before banking on the useable length of the bed for a given bit of cargo that depends on functional bed length.

But if I’m right, it would mean that - like with an F150 SCREW - some smaller motorcycles will fit diagonally with the tailgate up (or other Jinga configurations?, but many would require resting the rear wheel on the open tailgate, and any ATV would require tailgate open (and likely the usual tailgate-supporting hardware installed to pull it off safely).

as I talk that through, I realize another possible rationale for the possible deletion of the ramp. We’ve heard decent insider rumors that it was deleted because the cost and weight (and so range/payload effects) outweigh red anticipated utility. Those rationales overlap with the possibility that once the bed dimensions were finalized, they realized the bed size didn’t quite beg as much for a vehicle ramp anymore?

I also think it’s possible that the revised CT dimensions no longer made for appropriate angles for a tailgate ramp to be as useful for things with lower ground clearance. The geometry there maybe made for too steep a break over angle, given the limited possible length of the ramp?

which altogether for me is to say: if the production CyberTruck was such that the ramp would still be wildly useful, but Tesla decided against it on a lark, that would be irritating. Whereas is the real-world realities of the production CT meant that the ramp’s utility was significantly reduced, and counterbalanced by increased cost/decreased payload, etc., then I side with Tesla

a pair of aluminum loading ramps are very cheap

To be honest, I am not a contractor and almost all utilities of a truck is mainly an added bonus for me for occasional use. I can do most of what I do with an SUV and a trailer. Which would be a more sensible and preferred combo for me. But since my wife always had an SUV when it was time for me to buy something, I didn’t want to be redundant. Last time I needed to move the motorcycle, I rented a trailer from U-Haul even though I had a winch, a Ramp and a 5.5’ bed and theoretically could make it work with the tail gate open. But I have seen too many OOPS video on Youtube of people trying to load it alone and U-Haul was cheap and close. So I wouldn’t lose sleep over not having the ramp but Rivian had gear tunnel, Lightning, the big Frunk and Silverado/Hummer the rear steering. CT’s ramp could be it’s party trick. I am not sure how many people will cross a river with CT or throw steel balls at it. Ramp is something you can pick up chicks with.

 

[cvalue13]

I had a winch, a Ramp and a 5.5” bed and theoretically could make it work with the tail gate open. But I have seen too many OOPS video on you tube of people trying to load it alone

for several years I was an assistant mechanic at a motorcycle shop

one of my duties was the loading/unloading of motorcycles into pickup trucks, box vans, etc.

as young as I was then, and as good as it as I was then, the truth of it reminds me of what I was once told by a vet helicopter pilot:

“I’ve been flying helicopters for just over 30 years, and if I’m honest with you, that last 20 feet just before landing: I still start praying”

 

[CyberGus]

At least I'll be able to take my Bobcat anywhere, ramp or not

 

[borkyborkbork]

I do consider no side mirrors a promise.

Unfortunately mirrors are required from the factory in the US. They should be easy to remove though.

 

[wtibbit]

thanks

question for you

on one view, the ramp only ‘works’ if the CT is in rearward kneeling mode**, so the bed is slanted. I suppose a rubberized matt would be enough to make certain your gear storage cases don’t slide backwards? (Unclear if the slant is material enough for things like heavy boxes to slide.)

I do think your use case, of things that won’t slide/roll down the bed, and *need* to be handtrucked up, is a good one

**never clear if the ramp articulation and length of ramp would require kneeling/slant to reach the ground - if only for achieving a useable break-over angle of the bed-to-tailgate joint

Gear sliding back when the truck is squatting could be issue when items have their own castors. All of my “castor-ed” gear has locking castors and a rubber mat will help the rest of the gear.

 

[WHIZZARD OF OZ]

I do consider no side mirrors a promise.

Elon put forward the notion they would/could be removed after purchase.
Still a possible outcome___l love the design and overall look of them so they'll be staying, unless otherwise (?)

 

[VFRMike]

I’m curious: what’s your use case?

I just don’t see a lot of utility in the ramp.

Seems like one of those things that *sounds* useful on first impression, but soon enough is ignored.

My hopes were to use the ramp to put my motorcycle in the bed. I have a set of ramps that I've used for years but honestly they're a bit of a pain to use. And they take up bed space and need to be kept secure in the bed when I/we are out riding. However, I did have a concern with the sharp angle between the Cybertruck ramp and the tailgate- seemed the motorcycle was sure to scrape so the ramp might not have been so useful for me in the end.

 

[Gurule92]

I think the existence of the driver's display was an implied promise, but nothing in a demo is an actual promise. The price was what got me excited, easily $20K under what I woulda expected, so they still have time to bring it in $20K under what I would expect to pay today (Escalade anyone?)

The ramp would allow motorcycles and ATVs easy access, I can see taking them to the dunes in my CT. Would be sad if the ramp is lost, but I haven't heard anything about the CyberATV in all this time either.

MidGate was a Maybe response to a Tweet, I'd rather have the vault than a MidGate, certainly can't operate both at the same time if one rolls past the other. Although, I did envision sleeping in the bed I am curious about his tweet saying the bed would have HVAC, perhaps he means thru the slit window over the rear seats. I had HOPED there would be a way to move between the cab and bed w/o getting out and getting wet but that window is not human (or dog) sized.

Solar wings haven't been mentioned but again, response of Maybe to a tweet, not something that was shown. The original also had a video mirror, so when the vault was closed there was something up there to look at, not sure if that made it.

I did like the look of the original where the bumpers were shorter and fit under the bed and under the frunk, perhaps the final design is the only way to conform with US law, like the side mirrors.

In what demo did you see a drivers display?

Only time I saw it was. A leak of something not meant for the public

 

[WHIZZARD OF OZ]

yes, lots of folks with motorcycles/ATVs were understandably excited at the prospect of the combo of:

• adaptive air (to lower bed height)
• ramp
• 6.5’ bed (that in prototype appeared to be enormously wide)

and no doubt, that OG prototype was massive - and as a result the Ct appeared to be a perfect toy-hauler

but that Og prototype was only that

But I’m personally satisfied the production CT’s bed, where motorcycles and ATVs are concerned, will function as a 5.5’ bed. (E.g., the rearward slant of the bed’s bulkhead will meet the front tires/fenders at around 5.5’ in bed length.) Not everyone shares this view, of course. But I’m personally certain enough to at least say I’d be waiting on hands-on reviews before banking on the useable length of the bed for a given bit of cargo that depends on functional bed length.

But if I’m right, it would mean that - like with an F150 SCREW - some smaller motorcycles will fit diagonally with the tailgate up (or other Jinga configurations?, but many would require resting the rear wheel on the open tailgate, and any ATV would require tailgate open (and likely the usual tailgate-supporting hardware installed to pull it off safely).

as I talk that through, I realize another possible rationale for the possible deletion of the ramp. We’ve heard decent insider rumors that it was deleted because the cost and weight (and so range/payload effects) outweigh red anticipated utility. Those rationales overlap with the possibility that once the bed dimensions were finalized, they realized the bed size didn’t quite beg as much for a vehicle ramp anymore?

I also think it’s possible that the revised CT dimensions no longer made for appropriate angles for a tailgate ramp to be as useful for things with lower ground clearance. The geometry there maybe made for too steep a break over angle, given the limited possible length of the ramp?

which altogether for me is to say: if the production CyberTruck was such that the ramp would still be wildly useful, but Tesla decided against it on a lark, that would be irritating. Whereas is the real-world realities of the production CT meant that the ramp’s utility was significantly reduced, and counterbalanced by increased cost/decreased payload, etc., then I side with Tesla

a pair of aluminum loading ramps are very cheap

I 'side' with you and Tesla. Elon talked about building a vehicle better than the prototype. We can feel reassured by the 'jaw drops' to date of 'features' perceived or real, so at this late stage of the CT developments/design decisions like NO FOUR HANDLES, the 'finished' product will be more than what most wanted/expected from the Day 1 reveal when we look rationally at what is delivered, in the coming weeks. Gonna be a BIG hit and most of us can't wait.

 

[WHIZZARD OF OZ]

Allegedly removable

Makin' no promises, but the human brain could be 'removable' ( allegedly )

 

[WHIZZARD OF OZ]

On a more 'serious' note, I do hope we get the thick stainless skin that makes a hammer bounce off, and the Armour glass.

As for any kind of built-in ramp, it's all in the tail gate anyway so I think that would be a fairly easy interchangeable aftermarket product to build if Tesla doesn't do it.

I think we should wait until the next Reveal before speculating too much.

- ÆCIII

In the '80s l was building a collection of VW/Porsche cars and was the first curator of the FOX Collection. Preserving their condition especially the low mileage factory original cars was paramount to me and took quite some effort as you might expect. Lindsay trusted me, however l did damage a 300 SL Gull-wing at a Mercedes show in '85. I was pissed.....he was NOT.
This kind of thing should not happen to the CT, esp if l can help it stay out of 'trouble'. Imagine also the low maintenance of NO PAINT. LOVE THAT(!)

 

[John K]

I promised myself a midgate… where is it Tesla?

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