CT range be better than F150 Lightning owners' reports

[Bill906]

I read that but it doesn't match my experience. I find that, when kiteboarding, moist air is much more powerful for the same temperature and windspeed. I have to rig to smaller kites or be overpowered. If these are taken into consideration the only thing left is air density isn't it?

There’s also air pressure.

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[Crissa]

Fun fact, humid air is LESS dense than dry air assuming temperature and pressure being held constant.

It's not very different at cold temperatures, though.

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/density-air-d_680.html

-Crissa

 

[Cybertruckee]

Fun fact, humid air is LESS dense than dry air assuming temperature and pressure being held constant.

Seems counter-intuitive. But I don't know, I did not study it (lol).

 

[GlockandRoll]

Anything uses more energy towing, it's nothing to do with EVs. But, as EVs use a fraction of the energy while producing exponentially more power, they will still be more efficient.

This youtube channel is always interesting with regard to towing efficiency, which showcases this.
https://tfltruck.com/tfltruck-hall-ike-gauntlet/


It all comes down to charging locations. If you have to do long hauls more than a few hundred miles, and get a full-sized diesel, the CT isn't for you.

 

[JBee]

With kite and wind surfing everyone knows surf performance is directly proportional to what you had for lunch. Golf tends to be less impacted though. Thats been my experience at least.

 

[Cybertruckee]

With kite and wind surfing everyone knows surf performance is directly proportional to what you had for lunch. Golf tends to be less impacted though. Thats been my experience at least.

I did a lot of wind surfing and it's very true. Beans for lunch gives you strongesttail (or under the tail) wind propulsion than root crops like potato or yam.

As to golf, I'm not sure. Seems it more if your balls like to swim or just bask in beach sand.

 

[Lives2TruckAround]

Range always decreases in towing or cold, even with Internal Combustion engines. The only benefit ICE has is it creates waste heat we use to keep us warm.

As far as Cybertruck goes, expect a towing/cold weather loss. How much it will be is unknown for now. Just don’t give up your dreams or your reservation.

Just to add on to what you said, the new heat pump being installed in the cybertruck would actually fight most of the energy loss from being cold. Knowing what we know about cars, cold loss, towing loss, etc…. I’m just putting 2 and 2 together and still hoping it will be better than most trucks and ice vehicles.

 

[Crissa]

Seems counter-intuitive. But I don't know, I did not study it (lol).

Water is actually a very small molecule. Oxygen is 15x heavier (more dense) than Hydrogen, and a water molecule has two hydrogen atoms instead of an additional oxygen atom so...

Anyhow, it basically fits between the other molecules in the air and pushes them apart - and more temperature means more pushing.

It's an interesting but usually irrelevant to range loss, since it barely varies at all at temps below 50F.

-Crissa

 

[Cybertruckee]

It seems that Ford has not perfected the technology but rushed their Lightning to be first in the market.

Early adopters have discovered the shortcoming and some are in the rush to sell their unit. And thus I am currently on-holding pattern for my F150 Lightning Lariat although Ford corporate keeps on sending me emails and texts to do my order (first step on their fulfillment process).

Those of us who are waiting for our Cybertruck are cautiously optimistic that the final product will have remedied these issues. My specific concerns are cold weather range (like really heavy snow), loss or range in uphill climb, towing an RV or saddled with truck camper. This are the environment and my intended use of my Cybertruck.

 

[SgtSweatySac]

Just to add on to what you said, the new heat pump being installed in the cybertruck would actually fight most of the energy loss from being cold. Knowing what we know about cars, cold loss, towing loss, etc…. I’m just putting 2 and 2 together and still hoping it will be better than most trucks and ice vehicles.

To add some anecdotal evidence, my brother has an '18 Model 3 LR with the radiant/superbottle, and will lose about 20-25% of his range in winter once it starts dropping into the 30's and below (-1C to 3C for those of you smart enough to use the metric system). My '21 SR+ with the heat pump/octovalve only seemed to lose about 5-10% last winter at its worst. Both cars are used as highway runners, though he runs more than me (180k miles in 4 years).

If anything, I'd estimate the Cybertruck would lose a lower percentage of it's battery as compared to my Model 3, since it's going to be less efficient overall (though obviously with a larger battery).

 

[Paradox]

Wow, reading about these huge range drops in the winter really has me hoping Elon sticks to the original 500 mile estimate for at least one model of Cybertruck, or offer a 500 mile pack to those willing to pay for it as long as it can be engineered to fit in the vehicle.

 

[Crissa]

Early adopters have discovered the shortcoming and some are in the rush to sell their unit.

Please don't spread FUD. Or repost liars. It's just not okay.

If this were true, we'd see a crash in the prices, as we haven't. We'd also see reviews where the reviewer wasn't dishonest about their speed and loads.

-Crissa

 

[Cybertruckee]

Please don't spread FUD. Or repost liars. It's just not okay.

If this were true, we"d see a crash in the prices, as we haven't. We'd also see reviews where the reviewer wasn't dishonest about their speed and loads.

-Crissa

These are posts in F150 Lightning forum of supposedly owners based on their experience. I would have no reason to think they are lying and if suspected, they would be hammered by the Ford fan boys which is very passionate and vocal in that forum.

Demand is still strong despite and even dealers' (near me) seems to be taking advantage and Ford corporate approach is a seller's market, nagging me to do my order and funneling the orders to higher end Lariat or Platinum.

 

[Crissa]

These are posts in F150 Lightning forum of supposedly owners based on their experience. I would have no reason to think they are lying and if suspected, they would be hammered by the Ford fan boys which is very passionate and vocal in that forum.

Demand is still strong despite and even dealers' (near me) seems to be taking advantage and Ford corporate approach is a seller's market, nagging me to do my order and funneling the orders to higher end Lariat or Platinum.

You have no reason to think they're telling the truth, either. They're random anonymous posts on the internet.

-Crissa

 

[Cybertruckee]

You have no reason to think they're telling the truth, either. They're random anonymous posts on the internet.

-Crissa

I don't lose sleep over those and won't split hair with you either way.

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