Cybertruck Breaks Down in Mojave + F-150 Raptor Size Comparison + ~350mile Range Prediction?

[CYBRSMTH]

Seems like everyone is slowing down production until this inflation/interest rate mess is sorted out. Let’s hope it doesn’t drag on, like it did in the 70’s.

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[JBee]

Yeah EV drivers are even worse at being distracted all the time, with their flashy HD wide-screens and digital clocks and whatnot. Should all be put away I reckon... ? ?

But seriously I have mastered the technique of eating McDonalds one handed whilst steering with the other.

Much better than my no hands, steering with my leg technique,that I use when I'm on a video call and really need both hands to talk. Read on at your own peril.

First up, I tip my fries in the lid of the bigmac box, add my sauce, and then with my "bear hands" I use my right pinky to hold the burger box and fries, and use the rest of my right fingers to hold my burger over the box. That way if I dribble the special mac sauce it falls in the box, and I can eat my fries by using the box as a trough for my snout. Might not look pretty, but sure fills my belly, and most importantly, I don't need to stop and eat at no fancy deli where I have to wear shoes and pants to get service.

Just don't try that at home folks.

 

[cvalue13]

i never called it plaid

feel like I’m taking crazy pills!!

 

[JBee]

feel like I’m taking crazy pills!!

lol Welcome to the club!

 

[SolarWizard]

...So you're complaining the truck not built for that task is bad at that task?

Kinda unfair to the truck. Like complaining that the Ranger can't carry as many cords of firewood, or the truck without the extended tanks can't go at far - actually it's exactly like that.

Yeah, the specific truck without the feature doesn't do that feature! Maybe compare the version with that feature?

-Crissa

Complaining? Absolutely not
The Ford Lightning is a phenomenal truck and if they had a 500 mile version my entire fleet would be converted. I still wish id ordered more for $47k when I had the chance.

Thats exactly the reason the CT should be offered in a 500 mile version. Towing range matters not only because stopping en route is a hassle (and is expensive on the clock) , it also forces the purchase of more expensive fuel vs charging at the shop (or home) and reduces the ability for the consumer to shop for the best price along their chosen route.

 

[cvalue13]

I’m responding to this only in case others are so confused

if I say:

“apples are to fruits, as lettuce is to vegetables” - I’m not calling vegetables a fruit

Tesla has a single model called the Model S. There is an option of making the Model S a ‘performance’ version, which Tesla markets as the ‘Plaid’ trim. There’s a ‘base’ Model S, and a ‘Plaid’ trim level. They have the same pack size, etc., and one has more performance. That the Plaid trim has a third motor is an incidental explanation of part of how it has more performance.

Just the same, Tesla is releasing a new single model called the CyberTruck. There will be an option of making that CyberTruck a ‘performance’ version, Tesla appears to be marketing as just the ‘performance’ trim. There’s a ‘base’ CyberTruck, and a ‘performance’ trim level. They have the same pack size etc., and one has more performance.

Why is this tweek to framing relevant?

Because for 4 years people haven’t thought of the CyberTruck quite this way. They have thought that, based on the number of motors in a truck, it will indicate a distinct model offerings including all the way down to pack size and range. Specifically, that any CT with three motors will be BOTH a ‘performance’ AND a ‘LR’ offering.

But that’s not the case on Nov. 30

On Nov. 30 the CT offering will be more analogous to this framework of trim offerings:

NOT to this:

On Nov 30, the fact that one CT has three motors is as incidental as it is in the Model S Plaid. That it has three motors does not correlate to the 2019 framing above.

It’s unclear WHAT all this ‘performance’ trim indicates. Obviously more speed and acceleration. But also a more powerful motor TENDS to provide higher towing capacity, in addition to speed. But we’ll see.

Put differently, when people say things like: “it would be a mistake to release a ‘Tri Motor’ that doesn’t have 500mi like promised” the point here as that they’re not releasing THAT 2019 ‘Tri Motor’ model variant at all on Nov 30.

They’re releasing the ‘Dual’ (in that 2019 framework), and a ‘bonus’ never-before-considered trim line that is (in that 2019 framework) a ‘Dual Performance’

But saying ‘Dual Performance’ is a conundrum because the ‘Dual’ is performance in virtue of adding a third motor.

So discard the whole 2019 ‘Dual’ nomenclature as well.

On Nov. 30th, we’re getting:

“the” CyberTruck (like “the” Model S), with an ‘performance’ option.

 

[Art O'Connor]

The rumored 350 mile range would match the Model X LR range, so a potential data point in favor of it being around that range.

Current X range is 320 miles. The LR X had 420 miles of range, but you cannot order that anymore. Check the Tesla web site. There is only one range option. It is why I am not driving a X while I wait for my CT with 500 miles of range.

 

[Regenshire]

Current X range is 320 miles. The LR X had 420 miles of range, but you cannot order that anymore. Check the Tesla web site. There is only one range option. It is why I am not driving a X while I wait for my CT with 500 miles of range.

This is from the current order screen of Tesla's website:

 

[Art O'Connor]

Current X range is 320 miles. The LR X had 420 miles of range, but you cannot order that anymore. Check the Tesla web site. There is only one range option. It is why I am not driving a X while I wait for my CT with 500 miles of range.

Correction. Just checked website. X (not plaid) has 348 miles of range. About 100 miles short for me. Plaid is 333 miles.

 

[Art O'Connor]

This is from the current order screen of Tesla's website:

That is for two motors. My CT is supposed to have at least three.

 

[Regenshire]

That is for two motors. My CT is supposed to have at least three.

Ok. I was just replying to you quoting me with proof from Tesla's website of the Model X range.

Besides, there are Cybertrucks with Dual Motors. The one in this thread has a black interior, which if some on the forum are to be believed indicates its a Dual Motor and not a tri (which supposedly have white interiors on the test vehicles). It seems the more apt comparison then a tri-motor Model X for purposes of the threads discussion.

 

[TyPope]

So... One vehicle is being released on 30 November:
Cybertruck

When configuring your Cybertruck, you can opt for:

Cybertruck which has two motors, consequetially, and about 350 miles of range. (I said "about"!)

and then click the checkbox for:

Cybertruck Performance which happens to have 3 motors but still 350 miles of range.


If I were a betting boy, I'd bet that Tesla dumps the official 500 mile range version... Now, wait a second, let me finish... and incrementally improves battery tech/motor efficiency until eventually, the Cybertruck and Cybertruck Performance versions get close to 500 miles of range. It may take a few years for the improvements but they'll get there... with the same size battery pack as day one deliveries albiet more energy dense.

NOTE: I had added "AWD" after "Cybertruck" for both versions but that seemed silly. Tesla will only make an AWD version of the Cybertruck. (conjecture)

 

[cvalue13]

If I were a betting boy, I'd bet that Tesla dumps the official 500 mile range version... Now, wait a second, let me finish... and incrementally improves battery tech/motor efficiency until eventually, the Cybertruck and Cybertruck Performance versions get close to 500 miles of range.

I think this is pretty much it

look, the CT has a structural battery pack. The space allocable to that pack is baked into the design/structure of the vehicle, and = [X] cubic inches

one of 4 would need to be true in order to increase energy density within those [X] cubic inches:

(1) they are about to release a pack that only uses a % of the internal pack size (so that later they can ‘fill’ the pack for a >range variant)

(2) built into the structural design of the CT is space for a larger pack, by Increasing its depth, perpendicular to the ground (so that latter they can fit this ‘taller’ pack), or

(3) redesign the structure of the CT in the future for having >[X] space available

(4) magic

Of the above, all 4 seem unreasonable and very unlikely for various reasons.

Which leaves Tesla needing to be able to fit more energy into space [X], through battery advancement.

 

[KScheidt]

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